Why don't the 49ers spend more draft capital on the OL?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Prior years a LONG time ago. Mc_FLINCHEY and Banks. Both gone in FA and both not as good as the picks. So I don't think you have a good argument there.

Still beats never taking a DB when everyone else has.

Reality is taking an OL in the first is no longer any safer than any other position. Take the best player you can. I'd just like a top 50 DB once.

Man you are pretty hyped up on this DB stuff. Yeah if you can get a Derwin James or a Deion Sanders type in their prime. Sure I like that pick high up. It hasn't fallen to us. Because you need to pick top 5 to get a Sanders.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Prior years a LONG time ago. Mc_FLINCHEY and Banks. Both gone in FA and both not as good as the picks. So I don't think you have a good argument there.

If your argument is the draft then them leaving in FA is not about the draft.

The 49ers OL vs the Eagles OL is mostly about money. $33M vs $96M (IIRC - just for starters, adding backups I think the gap gets even bigger).

If you want a better OL find $63M+ in other contracts to cut (minus some money to sign replacements).

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Prior years a LONG time ago. Mc_FLINCHEY and Banks. Both gone in FA and both not as good as the picks. So I don't think you have a good argument there.

If your argument is the draft then them leaving in FA is not about the draft.

The 49ers OL vs the Eagles OL is mostly about money. $33M vs $96M (IIRC - just for starters, adding backups I think the gap gets even bigger).

If you want a better OL find $63M+ in other contracts to cut (minus some money to sign replacements).

I said I'm fine with us spending more to keep good ones and not letting them walk. Wait until we have Burford at LG. Then people will see the value of Banks. Who while not perfect is also not as bad as the WZ claims. He's light years better than Burford.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Man you are pretty hyped up on this DB stuff. Yeah if you can get a Derwin James or a Deion Sanders type in their prime. Sure I like that pick high up. It hasn't fallen to us. Because you need to pick top 5 to get a Sanders.

Rod Woodson wasn't a top 5 pick and was a better corner than Sanders for years. Champ Bailey, Ronnie Lott, Darrell Green, Darrelle Revis, Ty Law ... not top 5 picks. Richard Sherman was the top press corner in the NFL for years and he was a day 3 pick IIRC. Ronde Barber and Aeneas Williams were among the best all time and were 3rd round picks. Eric Wright, Eric Davis, and Tim McKyer were shut down corners and were 2nd round picks for the Niners.

Drafting is always a crap shoot, and picking in the top 5 is a guarantee of nothing at any position.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Man you are pretty hyped up on this DB stuff. Yeah if you can get a Derwin James or a Deion Sanders type in their prime. Sure I like that pick high up. It hasn't fallen to us. Because you need to pick top 5 to get a Sanders.

Who's talking about top 5? I'd settle for top 50.

Reality is the 9ers have taken the secondary for granted most of all.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The talent level and athleticism on that line is much better than ours. Much earlier and higher drafted guys. Some as free agents like Becton. Other than TW who is getting much older and injured and Puni I don't think you can make the argument much for our offensive line. I'd say theirs is better than us. I would take that line over us. Higher draft picks, bigger, more athletic, younger, less injured. I can't think of a way we are better. Only Puni maybe would measure up. TW is fast approaching closer to 40 now. So I'm not sure I would put him above a lot of those guys for the long run anyway. Maybe for 1 more year you could make the argument.

Becton is fat and slow. He was hidden well by Philly. I wouldn't take Becton over Bartch for our system at all.

Again the 9ers o line has been better overall than chargers in the past. Perhaps that changes, perhaps not.

9ers just added 2 1st round picks and a 3rd rd pick the last couple weeks. Shows what that really means,

Originally posted by Scoots:
Rod Woodson wasn't a top 5 pick and was a better corner than Sanders for years. Champ Bailey, Ronnie Lott, Darrell Green, Darrelle Revis, Ty Law ... not top 5 picks. Richard Sherman was the top press corner in the NFL for years and he was a day 3 pick IIRC. Ronde Barber and Aeneas Williams were among the best all time and were 3rd round picks. Eric Wright, Eric Davis, and Tim McKyer were shut down corners and were 2nd round picks for the Niners.

Drafting is always a crap shoot, and picking in the top 5 is a guarantee of nothing at any position.

No doubt. But when you are drafting differently then every other team in the NFL then you can make a case about not valuing the position.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I said I'm fine with us spending more to keep good ones and not letting them walk. Wait until we have Burford at LG. Then people will see the value of Banks. Who while not perfect is also not as bad as the WZ claims. He's light years better than Burford.

And what $60M+ are you cutting from the roster?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Who's talking about top 5? I'd settle for top 50.

Reality is the 9ers have taken the secondary for granted most of all.

They have had pretty good success drafting DBs. Mustapha, Lenoir, Hufanga, Brown, and Reed have been successful. Green looked good so far. It's once again that they have let good players leave as free agents when they get too expensive.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No doubt. But when you are drafting differently then every other team in the NFL then you can make a case about not valuing the position.

Just out of curiosity ... in the last decade the 49ers have spent more early draft capital on DBs than the Steelers (I didn't check any other teams) ... so what do you mean by "drafting differently"?

Originally posted by Scoots:
Just out of curiosity ... in the last decade the 49ers have spent more early draft capital on DBs than the Steelers (I didn't check any other teams) ... so what do you mean by "drafting differently"?

I don't see comp picks as early draft capital. To me early draft capital is minimum top 75. Really top 50. Only team in ShananLynch timeframe to not use a top 50 pick on a DB via pick or trade.

It's less of a criticism and more of a perspective that people like SD and Ncommand ignore because it doesn't fit their 9ers only ignore the OL argument. Can't even say that in FA either as we just added 2 1sts and a 3rd to OL group while we signed Tre Brown and Dallas Flowers in the secondary.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Just out of curiosity ... in the last decade the 49ers have spent more early draft capital on DBs than the Steelers (I didn't check any other teams) ... so what do you mean by "drafting differently"?

I don't see comp picks as early draft capital. To me early draft capital is minimum top 75. Really top 50. Only team in ShananLynch timeframe to not use a top 50 pick on a DB via pick or trade.

It's less of a criticism and more of a perspective that people like SD and Ncommand ignore because it doesn't fit their 9ers only ignore the OL argument. Can't even say that in FA either as we just added 2 1sts and a 3rd to OL group while we signed Tre Brown and Dallas Flowers in the secondary.

They drafted many, many good DB's. Even on the current team. Mustapha, Green, Lenior are all really good players. They have shown they can draft DB (S and CB). Which doesn't surprise me because Lynch was one. It's the one spot he seems to be able to identify and draft and hit on the pick. He busts on a lot of other areas. With those 3 there is simply NO WAY you can say our defensive backfield is as bad as our offensive line. It's probably better than most teams. Add in the little Smurf who can cover the slot. It's not our weak spot. Lynch is able to find them in middle and later rounds. The good ones. Green was taken high. But offensive line they just ignore or bust. Some years they didn't even pick 1. I kid you not. Look up their drafts.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Man you are pretty hyped up on this DB stuff. Yeah if you can get a Derwin James or a Deion Sanders type in their prime. Sure I like that pick high up. It hasn't fallen to us. Because you need to pick top 5 to get a Sanders.

Rod Woodson wasn't a top 5 pick and was a better corner than Sanders for years. Champ Bailey, Ronnie Lott, Darrell Green, Darrelle Revis, Ty Law ... not top 5 picks. Richard Sherman was the top press corner in the NFL for years and he was a day 3 pick IIRC. Ronde Barber and Aeneas Williams were among the best all time and were 3rd round picks. Eric Wright, Eric Davis, and Tim McKyer were shut down corners and were 2nd round picks for the Niners.

Drafting is always a crap shoot, and picking in the top 5 is a guarantee of nothing at any position.

Most of those guys you named were picked when there were fewer teams in the league. That meant more depth at each position and gave each team a better chance at hitting on a player.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They drafted many, many good DB's. Even on the current team. Mustapha, Green, Lenior are all really good players. They have shown they can draft DB (S and CB). Which doesn't surprise me because Lynch was one. It's the one spot he seems to be able to identify and draft and hit on the pick. He busts on a lot of other areas. With those 3 there is simply NO WAY you can say our defensive backfield is as bad as our offensive line. It's probably better than most teams. Add in the little Smurf who can cover the slot. It's not our weak spot. Lynch is able to find them in middle and later rounds. The good ones. Green was taken high. But offensive line they just ignore or bust. Some years they didn't even pick 1. I kid you not. Look up their drafts.

Mustapha is hurt. Don't know when he will even play. Jayir Brown was the worst starting player on the whole 49ers last year. Tre Brown is a huge ? at Corner.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They drafted many, many good DB's. Even on the current team. Mustapha, Green, Lenior are all really good players. They have shown they can draft DB (S and CB). Which doesn't surprise me because Lynch was one. It's the one spot he seems to be able to identify and draft and hit on the pick. He busts on a lot of other areas. With those 3 there is simply NO WAY you can say our defensive backfield is as bad as our offensive line. It's probably better than most teams. Add in the little Smurf who can cover the slot. It's not our weak spot. Lynch is able to find them in middle and later rounds. The good ones. Green was taken high. But offensive line they just ignore or bust. Some years they didn't even pick 1. I kid you not. Look up their drafts.

Mustapha is hurt. Don't know when he will even play. Jayir Brown was the worst starting player on the whole 49ers last year. Tre Brown is a huge ? at Corner.

I thought this thread was about the OL?