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Brenton Strange, TE, Penn St.

Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. People have to remember, TE2 is getting 20 - 30 catches a season. No way they should use a 3rd. Stick to FS, CB, OT, or edge. Four options with those three 3rds. If there has to be a trade up, I'd do so with our 5th + 7th and a pick next year.

I also thought the idea that all these tight ends were going to be gone by 99 was silly. Guys will start coming off the board soon enough but there will be enough talent available at the end of the 3rd, which means they will also be there in the 4th.

Our reserves TEs last year combined for 49% of the offensive snaps in 2022. That's 40% more than the WR we took in the 3rd. 42% more than the RB we took in the 3rd. The last CB we picked in the 3rd played a whopping 3% of the defensive snaps. Our Edge we took in the 2nd only played 30% of defensive snaps.

If we took a TE he likely would see the field more than the CB/EDGE/FS. Though the FS likely to see increased snaps next year.

Yes our TE2 hasn't produced much around here but that's because we really haven't had one. When Kittle misses time we don't really have one we can rely on. Aside from a schemed play here and there.

I'm with you. I'm just talking about the value for people looking to trade up into the 2nd or even a 3rd round trade up. I also wouldn't go using last year to project trends. We know how Kyle does wide receivers. I don't expect Danny Gray to play so little if he comes into this season prepared to do all of the things Kyle asks of a receiver. Ditto with the comparison to TDP. Then that corner we took in the 3rd, it's getting pretty clear what he is. But why not compare that to the corner we took in the 5th? A lot of this analysis lacks context.

I'm totally with you on taking a TE. But trading up in a deep class is counterproductive. You take advantage of the fact that there is a deep class and you can get great value far later. Example, if some of these prospects we like at TE are still there in the 5th, they will be better than any edge rusher, corner, OT, DT, etc that we could draft in the 5th. If the guy we like at edge, FS, and OT are there in the 3rd, take them. If waiting until the 5th makes the team nervous, move up with one of our 5th, 7ths, and a pick next year to get into the 4th.

As it stands, one TE has come off the board. Based on the way some people were talking, that means 5 to 6 tight ends are going in the second round.
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I'm with you. I'm just talking about the value for people looking to trade up into the 2nd or even a 3rd round trade up. I also wouldn't go using last year to project trends. We know how Kyle does wide receivers. I don't expect Danny Gray to play so little if he comes into this season prepared to do all of the things Kyle asks of a receiver. Ditto with the comparison to TDP. Then that corner we took in the 3rd, it's getting pretty clear what he is. But why not compare that to the corner we took in the 5th? A lot of this analysis lacks context.

I'm totally with you on taking a TE. But trading up in a deep class is counterproductive. You take advantage of the fact that there is a deep class and you can get great value far later. Example, if some of these prospects we like at TE are still there in the 5th, they will be better than any edge rusher, corner, OT, DT, etc that we could draft in the 5th. If the guy we like at edge, FS, and OT are there in the 3rd, take them. If waiting until the 5th makes the team nervous, move up with one of our 5th, 7ths, and a pick next year to get into the 4th.

As it stands, one TE has come off the board. Based on the way some people were talking, that means 5 to 6 tight ends are going in the second round.

Oh I'm with you I'm not trading up. At least not in 3rd. I'm not opposed to using our 5ths or 5th and next year pick to move up in the 4th. But not trading 2 3rds that's for sure
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. People have to remember, TE2 is getting 20 - 30 catches a season. No way they should use a 3rd. Stick to FS, CB, OT, or edge. Four options with those three 3rds. If there has to be a trade up, I'd do so with our 5th + 7th and a pick next year.

I also thought the idea that all these tight ends were going to be gone by 99 was silly. Guys will start coming off the board soon enough but there will be enough talent available at the end of the 3rd, which means they will also be there in the 4th.

Our reserves TEs last year combined for 49% of the offensive snaps in 2022. That's 40% more than the WR we took in the 3rd. 42% more than the RB we took in the 3rd. The last CB we picked in the 3rd played a whopping 3% of the defensive snaps. Our Edge we took in the 2nd only played 30% of defensive snaps.

If we took a TE he likely would see the field more than the CB/EDGE/FS. Though the FS likely to see increased snaps next year.

Yes our TE2 hasn't produced much around here but that's because we really haven't had one. When Kittle misses time we don't really have one we can rely on. Aside from a schemed play here and there.

Agreed. Two TE sets with Kittle and Kraft would be glorious. Charlie Woerner is a big downgrade at starting TE if Kittle is injured.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I agree. People have to remember, TE2 is getting 20 - 30 catches a season. No way they should use a 3rd. Stick to FS, CB, OT, or edge. Four options with those three 3rds. If there has to be a trade up, I'd do so with our 5th + 7th and a pick next year.

I also thought the idea that all these tight ends were going to be gone by 99 was silly. Guys will start coming off the board soon enough but there will be enough talent available at the end of the 3rd, which means they will also be there in the 4th.

Our reserves TEs last year combined for 49% of the offensive snaps in 2022. That's 40% more than the WR we took in the 3rd. 42% more than the RB we took in the 3rd. The last CB we picked in the 3rd played a whopping 3% of the defensive snaps. Our Edge we took in the 2nd only played 30% of defensive snaps.

If we took a TE he likely would see the field more than the CB/EDGE/FS. Though the FS likely to see increased snaps next year.

Yes our TE2 hasn't produced much around here but that's because we really haven't had one. When Kittle misses time we don't really have one we can rely on. Aside from a schemed play here and there.

I'm with you. I'm just talking about the value for people looking to trade up into the 2nd or even a 3rd round trade up. I also wouldn't go using last year to project trends. We know how Kyle does wide receivers. I don't expect Danny Gray to play so little if he comes into this season prepared to do all of the things Kyle asks of a receiver. Ditto with the comparison to TDP. Then that corner we took in the 3rd, it's getting pretty clear what he is. But why not compare that to the corner we took in the 5th? A lot of this analysis lacks context.

I'm totally with you on taking a TE. But trading up in a deep class is counterproductive. You take advantage of the fact that there is a deep class and you can get great value far later. Example, if some of these prospects we like at TE are still there in the 5th, they will be better than any edge rusher, corner, OT, DT, etc that we could draft in the 5th. If the guy we like at edge, FS, and OT are there in the 3rd, take them. If waiting until the 5th makes the team nervous, move up with one of our 5th, 7ths, and a pick next year to get into the 4th.

As it stands, one TE has come off the board. Based on the way some people were talking, that means 5 to 6 tight ends are going in the second round.

We're not getting a TE just for this year either. We don't know how much more shelf life Kittle has, and not only do we need the insurance, we need someone for the future.
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Originally posted by krizay:

Yup. And as I was about to comment on my sadness, I just saw Tyler Steen come off.
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