Originally posted by All22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Agreed. Have to draft with value in mind.
So what's the point in "value" if the guy isn't a scheme fit and won't ever see the field?
Case in point, your RB taken in the 5th/6th maybe tremendous value because he was #1 or #2 overall RB but he's going to be at best 4th string and doesn't fit the mold Shanny likes at all.
Same with your safety pick. We have a glutton of guys who can play SS. It's the FS spot that is up for debate.
It would be better to take starting Punter over a 4th or 5th string RB or SS.
I think your critique of MD's draft has fair points.
I'd bring up a couple counterpoints.
1. Longevity is value too
The window to make an impact in the NFL is small. Missing games doesn't contribute to wins.
Moore was the only DB to appear in all 16 games last season. Sherman, Witherspoon, Williams, Exum, Reed almost played in all the games last season. If the above is the secondary that can be relied upon, then there is plenty of room for competition.
I think a similar argument could be made for RB. They had a nice lineup on paper, but ended up with two guys off the street and Breida carrying the load on bad legs.
2. There's projection involved in scheme fit too
I think the coaches have been allowed to be hands on in projection. It's not necessarily bad, but could become very subjective if not reigned in by the GM. It's not a knock on coaches - just that they aren't the ones watching tape on every available player either.
I think your analysis of AJ Brown is fair - I do wonder how easily he can separate. That said, I don't think it'd be that much different for Samuel. If Samuel is like Edelman,then Brown is like Hogan. Neither are pure electric. Both are guys that need to consistently run good routes in short and intermediate ranges.
Also, IMO if Butler isn't a scheme fit, then neither is Hurd (right now). Hurd is only a "scheme fit" now because Shanahan (probably) wants to scheme him in as a gadget guy. Hurd could be a fit at WR if he gets coached up on how to be a WR. IMO Butler could be a fit at WR if he learns to fight off press coverage better.