this is why we took Ford, and now may NOT get Bosa

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Bosa is a p***y and this team is filled with them. They need dominance. They need Williams.


Tell us how you really feel.
What would Buckner think if we draft Quinnen Williams. Who is play 3T and who is nose tackle? Both players are best fit to play 3T, so forcing one to play out of position is not good. If the team is going to put Buckner on trade block, or have no plan to sign him to a long term deal, then draft Williams make some sense. But what does that do to the locker room. Buckner did everything right. He is a leader. He never got into trouble. He work hard. He produced on the field. He stayed healthy. Lynch and Shanahan are always about sending the right message to the locker room. So why wouldn't the team want to give Buckner a long term deal?
Williams is much better than Buckner that's the big dilemma.

Key takeaway from article and the reason many teams likely aren't as high on bosa as the media suggests is you see what qw did when given the opportunity to be the guy for bama in 2018. He took it and ran with it , dominated. Bosa was a fantastic rotational player on a stacked team in prior years, but it didn't take long for him to break down when given the opportunity to take on a full load. You have to ask yourself, can he do it? Because he has never proven that he can -like qw and allen have.

I still believe the most attractive option is to trade back, and if offers aren't there josh allen will be the pick.
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
We got pressure up the middle with Buckner. Let's not act like that St Louis d was anything special. They were pretty average for most of the season. In our scheme Seattle built one of the best d's of all time with Avril, Irvin, Bennett. Outside pressure is a good thing too.

Who?
Originally posted by littleken:
What would Buckner think if we draft Quinnen Williams. Who is play 3T and who is nose tackle? Both players are best fit to play 3T, so forcing one to play out of position is not good. If the team is going to put Buckner on trade block, or have no plan to sign him to a long term deal, then draft Williams make some sense. But what does that do to the locker room. Buckner did everything right. He is a leader. He never got into trouble. He work hard. He produced on the field. He stayed healthy. Lynch and Shanahan are always about sending the right message to the locker room. So why wouldn't the team want to give Buckner a long term deal?

QW is a perfect fit at 1 tech. Not sure why everyone keeps having this idea that he can't play NT.
Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:
Wouldn't hate this at all.
Ford -- QW -- DeFo -- Solomon/Armstead

that would be such an improvement!
Originally posted by littleken:
What would Buckner think if we draft Quinnen Williams. Who is play 3T and who is nose tackle? Both players are best fit to play 3T, so forcing one to play out of position is not good. If the team is going to put Buckner on trade block, or have no plan to sign him to a long term deal, then draft Williams make some sense. But what does that do to the locker room. Buckner did everything right. He is a leader. He never got into trouble. He work hard. He produced on the field. He stayed healthy. Lynch and Shanahan are always about sending the right message to the locker room. So why wouldn't the team want to give Buckner a long term deal?

If we draft Q chances are we're going to watch Buckner walk or get traded. He just becomes expendable.

Now that we have Ford I'm fine with the Q selection but I do think It's problematic in certain areas.
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Originally posted by toppdogg32:
49ers Torn on Quinnen Williams, Nick Bosa Updated March 12, 2019
By Charlie Campbell. Follow Charlie on Twitter @draftcampbell.
Around NFL teams and in the national media, the assumption is the Cardinals or another team will select Oklahoma quarterback Kyler Murray with the No. 1-overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft. At No. 2 therefore, there is a consensus that the 49ers will take Ohio State defensive end Nick Bosa. From speaking to 49ers sources, however, the team is very torn on who to take with that pick due to loving Alabama defensive tackle Quinnen Williams. Multiple team sources were more enthusiastic about Williams than they were about Bosa at the NFL Scouting Combine and in the week afterward.
Sources with the 49ers were gushing about Williams. They think he is a rare prospect with an amazing skill set of speed and athleticism. Team sources also like Williams' makeup as an individual, and they are very high on his immense upside. Team sources were gushing about how Williams dominated in 2018 in only his first season of real playing time. They feel that the sky is the limit for his potential.
With Bosa, their praise was not as effusive. They like him and feel he is probably the safer pick, but they did not talk about him as being as special of a player or athlete like Williams is. The other thing going for Bosa is edge rush is a bigger need than defensive tackle. Defensive end Solomon Thomas has been a massive disappointment in the pass rush department, while defensive tackle DeForest Buckner was superb last year, ripping off 12 sacks in his third season.
The 49ers want to improve their pass rush, and team sources said that taking Williams to pair with Buckner could be similar to the Los Angeles Rams pairing Ndamukong Suh with Aaron Donald. Another edge rusher who has been projected to be in play for the 49ers is Kentucky linebacker Josh Allen, but 49ers sources were not high on Allen for the No. 2 pick. Allen would be more of a candidate if they traded down. Trading down is also an option that San Francisco would consider.
Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/49ers-Torn-on-Quinnen-Williams,-Nick-Bosa#ixzz5i1wNRtSb
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/49ers-Torn-on-Quinnen-Williams,-Nick-Bosa#jxBQluS3iEuOFfU1.99
****THEY ARE NOT AS HIGH ON ALLEN AND BOSA AS MOST OF YOU ARE!!! THEY LOVE THIS GUY

This strikes me as a whole lot of information being given out freely by "team sources" that no one else seems to have. I've not heard this anywhere else. If it did come from 49er "team sources", it sounds like at least more smoke during "lying season", perhaps trying to dissuade teams below from thinking the 49ers are likely to pick Bosa. It just seems unlikely to me that 49ers "team sources" would be this free with information with Charlie Campbell of all people. That being said, Bosa and Williams are pretty much considered the two best non-QBs in the draft and I'd be fine either way, though I prefer Bosa.
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I'm ok with QWill but I still want another ER. Maybe we could grab one in the 2nd but we still also have to get a FS and get oline help. And QWill pretty much makes Thomas obsolete, but we're not going to get anything for him.

I dunno. This is gonna be an interesting draft. It can go a lot of ways.
Trusting WalterFootball.com as a reliable source is a mistake in itself. That's almost as bad as looking for Grant Cohn to say something positive about the Niners.

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For all we know, Josh Allen is THE guy.
It opens up a lot of possibilities. Trade back if the offer is good enough. Draft Bosa if he's there and rotate him with Ford so we have a fresh guy rushing all game. Play them both and rush from both sides. Draft Williams and try to trade AA for a third rounder. ( I don't think we would get anything higher) Lot's of flexibility and I don't really see any of them as bad choices.
Ford just gives you a little more flexibility in what you do with the #2 overall pick but I don't think picking up Ford was an indication they plan on passing on Bosa.

But I do believe Q. Williams is very much in play because Williams is the unicorn of this draft class.

Maybe a clumsy analogy here but It's like deciding between picking Aaron Donald or picking Joey Bosa. You're not wrong either way but Donald is clearly the better overall defender.

I tend to be in favor of Williams because when you have the ability to draft a unicorn you take the unicorn and figure it out later because if you have a bonafide All-Pro on your hands it's going to all work somehow.

Buckner and Williams would completely blow up the interior of lines and you have Ford speed around the edge to clean up the sack.

The other thing to consider is the NFC West is the run-heaviest division in football so being strong up front is a bigger plus in this division compared to others. Also with Wilson and potentially Murray being seen 4 times a year the best way to shut them down is to blow up the interior of the line which messes up their ability to see the throwing lanes and the edge guys be disciplined in not letting them scramble outside of them.

Regardless at #2 the 9ers have a problem every team wish they could have.
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Would prefer to hear this from literally any other source.
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Does this mean we say NO to Bosa and Allen since we now have Ford?

Or we plan on moving Solo to DT if we end up drafting Bosa and Allen??

I'm very happy and glad that we traded 2020's second rounder instead of this year's !!
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