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DK Metcalf

Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
If Metcalf can't separate that well, then why is he projected to go in the 1st round?

Are all these other general managers just "size queens", as the zone would call them?

Or maybe his route running and separation isn't all that bad, and its all just overblown crap. He is probably average in these areas.

Shanahan is so picky with his receivers. If the guy isn't perfect in short area quickness, separation, and route running, then its a hard pass from him. Not saying he is wrong.....we'll see if he is right this coming season. I am looking for improvement in the red zone this year. If it doesn't happen, then it just validates many of the opposing view points.


Of course he can get open.

We are probably one of the few teams who ding receivers too hard based on agility drills in tights.....
Originally posted by Rascal:
While there are some intriguing WR prospects next year, but it doesn't work like that, next year is next year. We may need to draft another WR next year too? We need to take care of business as far as 2019 goes and see how we fare before we decide what to do in the offseason in 2020. I just can't see Lynch saying hey forget about this year, let's target Tee Higgins next year. He and Shanny know this will be a make or break season. They will put their best foot forward and see where they still fall short before they decide what areas of the roster still require more talent.

Not sure why it doesn't work like that? You don't think teams/scouts don't think about the next yr? They most certainly do...SF passed on edge last yr, one because the class overall wasn't amazing and I'll bet money they knew (like most) that this current draft class was special at edge.

They can get a damn good football player in Deebo at 36 (possibly move down a little) and be a top 10 offense with everyone healthy, plus have a straight up stud RB group. They THEN can go all in on a super star at WR in 2020. Higgins and Jeudy are miles better than DK.

Again they're not punting on WR because they don't spend a 1st on the position.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
If Metcalf can't separate that well, then why is he projected to go in the 1st round?

Are all these other general managers just "size queens", as the zone would call them?

Or maybe his route running and separation isn't all that bad, and its all just overblown crap. He is probably average in these areas.

Shanahan is so picky with his receivers. If the guy isn't perfect in short area quickness, separation, and route running, then its a hard pass from him. Not saying he is wrong.....we'll see if he is right this coming season. I am looking for improvement in the red zone this year. If it doesn't happen, then it just validates many of the opposing view points.

Different GMs/coaching staffs like different types of players. DK fits a scheme like bruce arians or the Bills, which will just ask him to run a go-route all day. IF you require a WR that has to have more technical skill set, he might not be for you. I think most GM/Coaches would like a more complete WR, especially if you're talking about drafting him top 10.

Again it's not all about being big and straight line fast. I can name all kinds of big fast WRs that didn't do crap in the NFL. I think fans need to have a little faith with Kyle in regards to the offense.

and yes without question some GMs are "size queens" and it has burnt them in the ass
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
We are probably one of the few teams who ding receivers too hard based on agility drills in tights.....

Those agility drills show up on film....Kyle has said that's what he uses to evaluate players more than the combine.
Receivers like Metcalf, Gordon typically excel at slant patterns which is a staple of any wco. When Shanny had Gordon he ran that route 25% of the time. I don't buy that Metcalf has to be in a Arians go deep o. He's not ever going to run a full route tree but between slants, hitches gos, and posts he can be used by any oc.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Mar 25, 2019 at 11:36 AM ]
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Different GMs/coaching staffs like different types of players. DK fits a scheme like bruce arians or the Bills, which will just ask him to run a go-route all day. IF you require a WR that has to have more technical skill set, he might not be for you. I think most GM/Coaches would like a more complete WR, especially if you're talking about drafting him top 10.

Again it's not all about being big and straight line fast. I can name all kinds of big fast WRs that didn't do crap in the NFL. I think fans need to have a little faith with Kyle in regards to the offense.

and yes without question some GMs are "size queens" and it has burnt them in the ass


And the 9ers under Lynch and Shanahan have been "size queens" too but only "small size queens". The 9ers as it stands is probably the least physical team in the league. This team is small and soft. This isn't the big tough 49ers team under Jim Harbaugh with his power scheme. And damn right this being the "small size queens" have totally burnt the 9ers' a*s alright. Just check out the injury record last season.

If only Brice Arians can scheme for deep routes, then you are essentially saying Kyle Shanahan is only an one trick pony. Shanahan can't scheme for deep routes?? Really?? Hey, plus, get this, not every WR can run the go-route, you have to be fast and ideally big and physical.
Originally posted by Rascal:
And the 9ers under Lynch and Shanahan have been "size queens" too but only "small size queens". The 9ers as it stands is probably the least physical team in the league. This team is small and soft. This isn't the big tough 49ers team under Jim Harbaugh with his power scheme. And damn right this being the "small size queens" have totally burnt the 9ers' a*s alright. Just check out the injury record last season.

If only Brice Arians can scheme for deep routes, then you are essentially saying Kyle Shanahan is only an one trick pony. Shanahan can't scheme for deep routes?? Really?? Hey, plus, get this, not every WR can run the go-route, you have to be fast and ideally big and physical.

No I'm saying Arians runs a run and chuck type of scheme. Which is something that projects well for him. You ideally want a WR who care run full routes, if you're drafting them top 10.

You don't have to be physical to run a go-route, DJax has been one of the best at that for a very long time. John Brown thrived under Bruce.

Last I saw they just signed a 6-3 WR, no? He had two big ass WRs in ATL. Also, being tall isn't equal to saying you're "big"... Deebo is 5-11 1/2 and thicker than a bowl of oatmeal. Nuk is 6-1 and 215 those are not small dudes, yet you think they are.

Go watch Deebo in the RZ. His 10" mits caught plently of TDs. He's also in the 90 percentile at WR. He's an elite athlete.
Ill take butler/Deebo/Harmon/brown in the 2nd vs DK in the top 10 all day
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 25, 2019 at 12:12 PM ]

Not sure if this has been posted in here already, but it's a good watch. Speaks to the relevance of his agility drills, but doesn't ignore them. Idk what people thought Metcalf was or could be, but this is what I always saw him as. He isn't running every route in the tree, but he is terrifying wherever he lines up on the field.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
No I'm saying Arians runs a run and chuck type of scheme. Which is something that projects well for him. You ideally want a WR who care run full routes, if you're drafting them top 10.

You don't have to be physical to run a go-route, DJax has been one of the best at that for a very long time. John Brown thrived under Bruce.

Last I saw they just signed a 6-3 WR, no? He had two big ass WRs in ATL. Also, being tall isn't equal to saying you're "big"... Deebo is 5-11 1/2 and thicker than a bowl of oatmeal. Nuk is 6-1 and 215 those are not small dudes, yet you think they are.

Go watch Deebo in the RZ. His 10" mits caught plently of TDs. He's also in the 90 percentile at WR. He's an elite athlete.


Go-routes schemed by Kyle Shanahan for Julio Jones. I don't see any issue with that.


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Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Not sure if this has been posted in here already, but it's a good watch. Speaks to the relevance of his agility drills, but doesn't ignore them. Idk what people thought Metcalf was or could be, but this is what I always saw him as. He isn't running every route in the tree, but he is terrifying wherever he lines up on the field.


Yes, it has been posted before and the assessment is very fair. And you are right, Metcalf doesn't need to run every route and should be used as a deep route specialist and red zone weapon.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Go-routes schemed by Kyle Shanahan for Julio Jones. I don't see any issue with that.


Nowhere did I say Kyle didn't run go-routes....what the heck do you think Goodwin does? Kyle loves explosive plays.

I'm saying if you're spending a top 10 pick on a guy, he'd better be able to do a f**k ton more than that. unfortunately he didn't do a whole heck of a lot else at Old Miss. Not a ton of film on him because he was hurt all the damn time. Which is kinda weird since you keep saying small WRs are the ones getting hurt

If he drops all the way to the 2nd I can see Kyle checking him out...some other team will fall for the big/fast thing much earlier IMO.

I still like the value of Brown/Harmon/Butler/Deebo a whole lot more than DK in the top 10.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 25, 2019 at 1:05 PM ]
OBJ is 5'11". Dodged a bullet there.
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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
OBJ is 5'11". Dodged a bullet there.


Thank God for that. And I mean it. If you talk Julio Jones, then is different.
Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
OBJ is 5'11". Dodged a bullet there.


Thank God for that. And I mean it. If you talk Julio Jones, then is different.

I'm confused. Are you suggesting that with our #2 pick in the 2019 draft, that:
  1. We should use it on DK Metcalf
  2. We should not have used it on OBJ
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