2018 NFL Scouting Combine Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Rosen plays Hero ball without the body to take on the punishment. I think it goes Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen and then Jackson until he moves further in his development. Allen physically might be the most talented but his accuracy and instinct suck.

I don't think Jackson is all that far behind, especially having played in an offense with a lot of pro style concepts. His running ability will give him the chance to make a huge impact early on. How he progresses as a passer from the pocket will really determine how good he can be.

I agree. Jackson showed a lot of progress going through his reads this year.

I can't tell if its just lazy film study, stereotyping, blatant racism or a combination of all of the above for why people keep bringing up a switch to WR for him.

It is all of that but mostly stereotyping/racism. There is definitely a level of distrust when it comes to African-American QBs. People will readily point at RGIII, Jamarcus and even Kap and fail to list the countless white QB busts. I've heard it all too many times from people of all ilks.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Rosen plays Hero ball without the body to take on the punishment. I think it goes Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen and then Jackson until he moves further in his development. Allen physically might be the most talented but his accuracy and instinct suck.

I don't think Jackson is all that far behind, especially having played in an offense with a lot of pro style concepts. His running ability will give him the chance to make a huge impact early on. How he progresses as a passer from the pocket will really determine how good he can be.

I agree. Jackson showed a lot of progress going through his reads this year.

I can't tell if its just lazy film study, stereotyping, blatant racism or a combination of all of the above for why people keep bringing up a switch to WR for him.

It is all of that but mostly stereotyping/racism. There is definitely a level of distrust when it comes to African-American QBs. People will readily point at RGIII, Jamarcus and even Kap and fail to list the countless white QB busts. I've heard it all too many times from people of all ilks.

I agree that I think he is a qb and not a WR. I do have fears about his intermediate outside the numbers throws. I didn't see very many (if any at all) in the games I watched. Be happy to have my mind changed if anyone has suggestions of games he looks like he can do that.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Rosen plays Hero ball without the body to take on the punishment. I think it goes Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen and then Jackson until he moves further in his development. Allen physically might be the most talented but his accuracy and instinct suck.

I don't think Jackson is all that far behind, especially having played in an offense with a lot of pro style concepts. His running ability will give him the chance to make a huge impact early on. How he progresses as a passer from the pocket will really determine how good he can be.

I agree. Jackson showed a lot of progress going through his reads this year.

I can't tell if its just lazy film study, stereotyping, blatant racism or a combination of all of the above for why people keep bringing up a switch to WR for him.

It is all of that but mostly stereotyping/racism. There is definitely a level of distrust when it comes to African-American QBs. People will readily point at RGIII, Jamarcus and even Kap and fail to list the countless white QB busts. I've heard it all too many times from people of all ilks.

Its not that black and white.(pun intended) i think its any QB that wants to take off when things get tough.

Steve Young and Jeff Garcia experienced the same things. Hell even Blake Bortles. Its not just the black QBs. Its just black QBs are usually the athletic ones that run.

Lamar Jackson fits bill. Where i would agree or whatever is that this is a new NFL where that running QBs is having more success than in the past. So i dont know why it keeps getting brought up

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by jcs:

Rosen plays Hero ball without the body to take on the punishment. I think it goes Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen and then Jackson until he moves further in his development. Allen physically might be the most talented but his accuracy and instinct suck.

I don't think Jackson is all that far behind, especially having played in an offense with a lot of pro style concepts. His running ability will give him the chance to make a huge impact early on. How he progresses as a passer from the pocket will really determine how good he can be.

I agree. Jackson showed a lot of progress going through his reads this year.

I can't tell if its just lazy film study, stereotyping, blatant racism or a combination of all of the above for why people keep bringing up a switch to WR for him.

It is all of that but mostly stereotyping/racism. There is definitely a level of distrust when it comes to African-American QBs. People will readily point at RGIII, Jamarcus and even Kap and fail to list the countless white QB busts. I've heard it all too many times from people of all ilks.

Its not that black and white.(pun intended) i think its any QB that wants to take off when things get tough.

Steve Young and Jeff Garcia experienced the same things. Hell even Blake Bortles. Its not just the black QBs. Its just black QBs are usually the athletic ones that run.

Lamar Jackson fits bill. Where i would agree or whatever is that this is a new NFL where that running QBs is having more success than in the past. So i dont know why it keeps getting brought up

Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Edit: crouch was wr. Scott frost safety

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Yeah I understand the point. They still gave most of those guys their shot at QB first though. I do think Edelman and Crouch didn't have the size to play QB in the NFL. Jones was an interesting one though.

Originally posted by krizay:
You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Edelman for his career threw 30 TDs & 31 INTs with a 54.5 completion percentage.

Matt Jones senior year completed 57% of his passes with 15 TDs and 12 INTs.

Eric Crouch threw 7 TDs & 10 INTs his Heisman year.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Yeah I understand the point. They still gave most of those guys their shot at QB first though. I do think Edelman and Crouch didn't have the size to play QB in the NFL. Jones was an interesting one though.

That's racist, Edelman is almost the exact same size as Wilson, and Crouch is bigger ... must be because they are white.

See how that works?

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Yeah I understand the point. They still gave most of those guys their shot at QB first though. I do think Edelman and Crouch didn't have the size to play QB in the NFL. Jones was an interesting one though.

That's racist, Edelman is almost the exact same size as Wilson, and Crouch is bigger ... must be because they are white.

See how that works?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by krizay:

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Edelman for his career threw 30 TDs & 31 INTs with a 54.5 completion percentage.

Matt Jones senior year completed 57% of his passes with 15 TDs and 12 INTs.

Eric Crouch threw 7 TDs & 10 INTs his Heisman year.

Yes, none of them are nearly as accomplished as passers and Tebow who had decent passing stats still got his shot at QB.

Crouch and Edleman threw for like 1600 yards their senior year. matt jones threw for like 2400. None of these dudes were even close to being good QBs. Lets get real

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Nobody tried to convert Steve, Jeff or Blake to WR though and coming out of the draft there was no question about their position at that time or what position they would play in the NFL.

You are correct but none of them were as athletic as jackson. They did try to make tebow a TE.

wasnt eldemann a college QB? Eric crouch moved to safety. Matt Jones?

Yeah I understand the point. They still gave most of those guys their shot at QB first though. I do think Edelman and Crouch didn't have the size to play QB in the NFL. Jones was an interesting one though.

That's racist, Edelman is almost the exact same size as Wilson, and Crouch is bigger ... must be because they are white.

See how that works?

Their passing stats and mechanics sucked. If you don't think black QBs face more of these misguided stereotypes than white QBs I won't try to convince you but personally I've heard it far too many times to ignore it.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Their passing stats and mechanics sucked. If you don't think black QBs face more of these misguided stereotypes than white QBs I won't try to convince you but personally I've heard it far too many times to ignore it.

Im black BTW, im not disagreeing with that argument. My argument is... do you think Luke Falk could play WR? Do you think Sam Darnold can play WR? no because they dont have lamar jacksons athletic ability.

You arent going to ask any joe blow to play the position. Ypu have to think they can succeed at said position. Hence why more black than white QBs are asked

Originally posted by krizay:
Im black BTW, im not disagreeing with that argument. My argument is... do you think Luke Falk could play WR? Do you think Sam Darnold can play WR? no because they dont have lamar jacksons athletic ability.

You arent going to ask any joe blow to play the position. Ypu have to think they can succeed at said position. Hence why more black than white QBs are asked

Why isn't Josh Allen being asked to try out at TE?

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Yeah I understand the point. They still gave most of those guys their shot at QB first though. I do think Edelman and Crouch didn't have the size to play QB in the NFL. Jones was an interesting one though.

I've been following the draft for a long time, always loved checking up on the various QBs, its my favorite position to follow. I tend to be pretty critical of them, especially unorthodox passers but Jackson has come a long way. This past season he really established himself as a legit NFL QB prospect.


There shouldn't be any questions about whether or not he can play QB at the next level when a guy like Allen who is 99% projection is being hyped as a Top 10 pick.


If Jackson is committed to perfecting his pocket passing game he could be an absurd weapon in the NFL. As with guys like Kaepernick and Vick, that added dimension of athleticism will make defenses have to play him differently than other QBs when you have a guy who can evade tackles and take it to the house on the ground on any given play.


Unlike those guys, I hope Jackson can fully develop as a passer. A guy who can both run and gun at a high level would be an absolute treat to watch.