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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
The Eagles got a 1st and 4th for Bradford with that horrible contract. I think it will be much harder to get Garrapollo and the Patriots will not just give him up easy. I am not sure two second round picks would get him to be honest.
They had zero leverage because they just lost their starter probably for good. Bradford wasn't horrible last yr and that contract was actually a one yr deal, they can cut him next yr and save $13 million.
Like I said they've given up more proven players for much less. Your high if you think they'll get two 1sts because of the Vikings, if that's what they want then they don't want to move him plain and simple...they'd better be ready to pay him and countine to pay Brady which is something the patriots don't do...Brady's contact doesn't become cap friendly until 2019.
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by rapid4:
1. Release most expensive players to put more money in Jed's pocket
2. Don't sign any expensive free agents (see above), even if anyone decent would agree to come to SF
3. Don't draft WR's, LB's or QB of the future. Need more DB's and "value" (i.e., injured) players
4. Sign some former 1st round QB busts
5. Call it "winning with class", but certainly not rebuilding
6. Don't fire Baalke, Chip or Paraag
7. Figure out how to get more money out of the Faithful and Santa Clara.
How about you make your own thread on what will happen instead of posting that here
And they have to spend money over the next three seasons or money will go to the NFLPA it doesn't go in Jed's pocket.
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Southpaw79
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Originally posted by bopicksix:
Is there a single example of a backup QB -from a stacked team/top-notch org. without any significant starting experience receiving a massive contract to start for a super desperate team that has gone on to be successful? I can only remember, cassell, flynn, oswieler and so on.
Matt Hasselbeck count? I am not sure if he got a massive contract or if the Seahawks counted as desperate, but he had limited experience and worked out quite well.
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Quest4six
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Originally posted by Southpaw79:
Originally posted by bopicksix:
Is there a single example of a backup QB -from a stacked team/top-notch org. without any significant starting experience receiving a massive contract to start for a super desperate team that has gone on to be successful? I can only remember, cassell, flynn, oswieler and so on.
Matt Hasselbeck count? I am not sure if he got a massive contract or if the Seahawks counted as desperate, but he had limited experience and worked out quite well.
Nvm.
Didn't see the backup part
[ Edited by Quest4six on Nov 21, 2016 at 3:16 PM ]
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Jikkle49
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
The patriots will want more then that for Garrapolo. Probably two first round picks for him.. considering what QBs are going for now (see Bradford and Osweiler), although I do think Garrapolo would be a really good fit in this offense.
They can want that all they want but no way they would get that for a guy with 92 career pass attempts. They couldn't even get close to that for Cassel who started a whole year for them and went 11-5
I would give them 2 2nds and no more for him. This year 2nd will likely be 34 and the next years 2nd so figure to in the top 15 as well. No reason to pay any more than that for potential.
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jersey49er
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Originally posted by Jikkle49:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
The patriots will want more then that for Garrapolo. Probably two first round picks for him.. considering what QBs are going for now (see Bradford and Osweiler), although I do think Garrapolo would be a really good fit in this offense.
They can want that all they want but no way they would get that for a guy with 92 career pass attempts. They couldn't even get close to that for Cassel who started a whole year for them and went 11-5
I would give them 2 2nds and no more for him. This year 2nd will likely be 34 and the next years 2nd so figure to in the top 15 as well. No reason to pay any more than that for potential.
I agree, I'd offer this years 2nd and next years 3rd to start like NY has..no more then what you said tho..
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Overall, aligned with the basic approach and premise. I like Jeffrey and Alonso in FA, and also am for going Garrett #1. If we can't trade for Jimmy G, I'm ok with some of the 2nd / 3rd round QB options in this years draft. While it is light in sure-fire franchise QBs, there is some depth to it. I like guys like Falk, Rudolph, Mahomes who should definitely be there in the 2nd, and there is a chance one of the top guys like Watson or Kizer could drop as well.
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eastcoast49ersfan
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The more I think about Alshon Jeffery as a #1 WR, the less I like him. He's a great WR on a mediocre/bad team with a bad QB, because he excels at catching jump balls/making contested catches. If you're a good team with a good QB, you try not to throw a lot of jump balls. He'd be a great player for us right now, but he's not the type of player we would need for a Super Bowl run.
Not a huge fan of Garoppolo either because we'd be getting value for him in the first year while he's on a cheap contract, but we'd have to extend him for more than his market value to convince him to stay with the 49ers (one of the worst teams in the league with coaching and front office instability and CA taxes). That could end up being $20+ million a year based on what Osweiler just got ($18 million a year to join a better situation). I'd much rather draft a QB and take time to develop them and put pieces around them before we're forced to stick with them long term. A QB is more likely to sign a team-friendly deal with us when our team doesn't suck, we don't have constant coaching turnover, and they've spent the past 4-5 years on our roster. I also don't expect us to have immediate success, so by the time we're in the playoffs again, he may be 29 or 30 as opposed to a rookie QB who would be 25 or 26 (and still on an extremely cheap deal which would give us a huge advantage if they pan out). With that in mind, I don't see Garoppolo being worth as much to the 49ers as he is to other teams - I'd consider giving up a 3rd round pick if I was the 49ers, but he may be worth a 2nd round pick to other teams, especially teams picking later in the 2nd round.
Unfortunately, Bouye is a restricted free agent, so we would have to give up draft pick compensation to the Texans if they tender him.
Sign me up for Garrett, Beckwith, Watkins, Gallman, and Bond though. I like Alonso even if we bring in Beckwith, because I don't completely trust Bowman's health or Alonso's health.
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eastcoast49ersfan
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While Garoppolo is probably a better player right now than Trubisky, Kizer, or Watson, there's a very good reason why no one will offer a 1st round pick for him - I'd much rather have a 21-22 year old QB who could potentially become a franchise QB on a cheap rookie deal for 5 years than pay Garoppolo $100 million over the next 5 years hoping he'll become a franchise QB (no guarantee there either).
Someone like Falk or Mahomes will likely be there in the 2nd round and I'd take them over trading the pick for Garoppolo too. It's a huge advantage having a franchise QB on a rookie deal and worth the risk even though Garoppolo may be more of a sure thing.
Kiper moved Mahomes up to the #2 QB on his big board last week, so there's even a chance that Kizer or Watson fall to our 2nd round pick or could be available for a moderate trade up (Mahomes probably dropped back down on his big board after struggling against Iowa State though).
http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/insider/story/_/id/18008341/nfl-draft-2017-top-10-prospects-every-position-mel-kiper
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Garrett and Jimmy makes this draft an A+++
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Jikkle49:
They can want that all they want but no way they would get that for a guy with 92 career pass attempts. They couldn't even get close to that for Cassel who started a whole year for them and went 11-5
I would give them 2 2nds and no more for him. This year 2nd will likely be 34 and the next years 2nd so figure to in the top 15 as well. No reason to pay any more than that for potential.
Agreed..if they want two 1sts then they don't want to trade him.
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Originally posted by jersey49er:
If this were to happen this franchise is headed in the right direction..like Hoov said Beckwith pick should be different, I'm think it should be your boy Fields from Louisville or another pass rush but other then that I love every other move..1 other thing is if Ward is moved again it better be the last time lol let the kid stay at 1 position and try to perfect it..but again great job, we share a lot of views heading into the offseason..
Agree. We need a very good off-season to be headed in the right direction for this franchise
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NYniner85
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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
The more I think about Alshon Jeffery as a #1 WR, the less I like him. He's a great WR on a mediocre/bad team with a bad QB, because he excels at catching jump balls/making contested catches. If you're a good team with a good QB, you try not to throw a lot of jump balls. He'd be a great player for us right now, but he's not the type of player we would need for a Super Bowl run.
Not a huge fan of Garoppolo either because we'd be getting value for him in the first year while he's on a cheap contract, but we'd have to extend him for more than his market value to convince him to stay with the 49ers (one of the worst teams in the league with coaching and front office instability and CA taxes). That could end up being $20+ million a year based on what Osweiler just got ($18 million a year to join a better situation). I'd much rather draft a QB and take time to develop them and put pieces around them before we're forced to stick with them long term. A QB is more likely to sign a team-friendly deal with us when our team doesn't suck, we don't have constant coaching turnover, and they've spent the past 4-5 years on our roster. I also don't expect us to have immediate success, so by the time we're in the playoffs again, he may be 29 or 30 as opposed to a rookie QB who would be 25 or 26 (and still on an extremely cheap deal which would give us a huge advantage if they pan out). With that in mind, I don't see Garoppolo being worth as much to the 49ers as he is to other teams - I'd consider giving up a 3rd round pick if I was the 49ers, but he may be worth a 2nd round pick to other teams, especially teams picking later in the 2nd round.
Unfortunately, Bouye is a restricted free agent, so we would have to give up draft pick compensation to the Texans if they tender him.
Sign me up for Garrett, Beckwith, Watkins, Gallman, and Bond though. I like Alonso even if we bring in Beckwith, because I don't completely trust Bowman's health or Alonso's health.
According to sportrac he's a UFA
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/
Your gonna overspend in FA and we have zero talent at WR...I'd think if he had a s**tty qb and still put up great numbers would make him even better if we got a good qb? He's not just a jump ball WR and is also a good route runner. Dude put up numbers with Marshall in the other side and when he didn't. When healthy he's a top 10 WR.
We'd have jimmy cheap for a yr and can franchise tag him the following yr...that's two yrs to get a deal done. Why can't we rebuild the team in two yrs? $100 million and 10 draft picks can make all the difference.
Jimmy G was drafted one yr prior to Derrick Carr, Oakland was dogs**t when they got Mack/Carr and now look at them two yr turnaround. This would be our version of that with Myles/garoppolo...end of the day these players want to get paid it's a job and we will have the money.