Kevin Hogan-QB-Stanford

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Greg Cosell on Kevin Hogan:

"Kevin Hogan will be a 10-year backup, and he'll be a great backup. Now because he's a smart kid and all that, three or four years down the road someone will think he can be a starter and I'm not saying he couldn't be, but he'd never be a high-level starter…He doesn't throw it well enough.

"He needs a lot of work mechanically. His feet are really not very good. He's very jumpy in the pocket. He doesn't have a very good feel for pocket movement — when he moves he's off-balance. A lot of the subtleties of the position, the nuances, he needs a lot of work. Now I've heard great things about the kid — everyone likes him as a player and all that — but he needs a lot of work…

Eh no one really knows who is going to be a great QB....

Based strictly on game tape, however, RG3 was the more remarkable quarterback.

"What immediately jumped out was his arm strength," Cosell wrote. "… Griffin, for a power thrower, was consistently accurate. The better term for accuracy is ball location. That's what allows receivers to run after the catch. Griffin excelled in that area."

Cosell went on to praise Griffin's "composure in the pocket" as better than Luck's, as well as RG3's ability to throw from different arm angles while maintaining consistent accuracy. Cosell suggested that Griffin, despite playing in Baylor's spread scheme, was less of a system quarterback than Luck, who was "managed and manipulated by his offense."

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Greg Cosell on Kevin Hogan:

"Kevin Hogan will be a 10-year backup, and he'll be a great backup. Now because he's a smart kid and all that, three or four years down the road someone will think he can be a starter and I'm not saying he couldn't be, but he'd never be a high-level starter…He doesn't throw it well enough.

"He needs a lot of work mechanically. His feet are really not very good. He's very jumpy in the pocket. He doesn't have a very good feel for pocket movement — when he moves he's off-balance. A lot of the subtleties of the position, the nuances, he needs a lot of work. Now I've heard great things about the kid — everyone likes him as a player and all that — but he needs a lot of work…

Eh no one really knows who is going to be a great QB....

Based strictly on game tape, however, RG3 was the more remarkable quarterback.

"What immediately jumped out was his arm strength," Cosell wrote. "… Griffin, for a power thrower, was consistently accurate. The better term for accuracy is ball location. That's what allows receivers to run after the catch. Griffin excelled in that area."

Cosell went on to praise Griffin's "composure in the pocket" as better than Luck's, as well as RG3's ability to throw from different arm angles while maintaining consistent accuracy. Cosell suggested that Griffin, despite playing in Baylor's spread scheme, was less of a system quarterback than Luck, who was "managed and manipulated by his offense."

Very true, some times when teams are equally built on both sides of the ball and a QB finds himself in the right system and head coach everything just comes together.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
as long as the ball gets there, thats all that matters

As long as the ball gets there on time. When you have a long delivery and limited ability to drive the ball, you will struggle.


As Cosell and others have mentioned, Hogan has the makings of a pretty good NFL backup QB but little else beyond that.

That delivery can lead to a lot of strip-sacks too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
as long as the ball gets there, thats all that matters

As long as the ball gets there on time. When you have a long delivery and limited ability to drive the ball, you will struggle.


As Cosell and others have mentioned, Hogan has the makings of a pretty good NFL backup QB but little else beyond that.

That delivery can lead to a lot of strip-sacks too.

plus its a necessity for success in Chip system for the QB to have a quick delivery. Got to fit balls into tight squeezes on time without giving defenders that split second to react

Hogan may not be a prolific passer, but he played winning football his entire career at Stanford. He's athletic, which should be appealing to Kelly. I'd favor Prescott over Hogan, but wouldn't be disappointed at all if Hogan's the guy Kelly likes.

Hogan is a winner...coach him up!

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Hogan is a winner...coach him up!

So was Tim Tebow. So is Connor Cook. Winning games on an absolutely stacked roster doesn't necessarily make you a good NFL QB prospect.

Hogan's real problem is not his windup throwing motion which it appears has been compacted -and which hasn't prevented him from releasing the ball quickly enough but more his footwork (too wide in drops which affects his power in the platform) and that certainly is correctable. Hogan probably lost more football IQ at a high school beer party than Tebow ever had and certainly doesn't depend on his physical prowess and his vertical finger pointing to declare himself a QB.Yeah he is an Ugly Duckling but he could surprise .

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

Hogan may not be a prolific passer, but he played winning football his entire career at Stanford. He's athletic, which should be appealing to Kelly. I'd favor Prescott over Hogan, but wouldn't be disappointed at all if Hogan's the guy Kelly likes.

I mean we might as well go after tebow or Coker then....it's got to be dak

Cosell was being generous about hogan.
To win a nfl game, the qb has to do some special things with the ball; maybe 20 or so guys can do this on a routine basis.
Hogan has none of those qualities.
People need to stop looking at his raw athleticism and good smarts, because they add up to nothing--he has no "it" factor as a passer. None.

Gotta tighten up that release. Ball's gotta come out!

Originally posted by xcfan:
Cosell was being generous about hogan.
To win a nfl game, the qb has to do some special things with the ball; maybe 20 or so guys can do this on a routine basis.
Hogan has none of those qualities.
People need to stop looking at his raw athleticism and good smarts, because they add up to nothing--he has no "it" factor as a passer. None.

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Originally posted by xcfan:
Cosell was being generous about hogan.
To win a nfl game, the qb has to do some special things with the ball; maybe 20 or so guys can do this on a routine basis.
Hogan has none of those qualities.
People need to stop looking at his raw athleticism and good smarts, because they add up to nothing--he has no "it" factor as a passer. None.

68% completion percentage
9.4 yards/attempt
171 QB rating
Rushing 4.8 yards/attempt
3 time pac ten champion

Seems like he's doing something right

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

as long as the ball gets there, thats all that matters

As long as the ball gets there on time. When you have a long delivery and limited ability to drive the ball, you will struggle.


As Cosell and others have mentioned, Hogan has the makings of a pretty good NFL backup QB but little else beyond that.

Yes, but with a 3rd day pick that is my expectation for a QB. The thing I like about him is he is smart. We have plenty of low picks.