MadDog's 2013 NFL Draft Review

Originally posted by kawika13:
Great Post MadDog. Like you I like to pretend I'm GM. After two years of watching Baalke/coaches/scouts draft I think I have a decent feel of the type of players they like. So this year I pretended to scout players through their eyes instead of what I thought. So I just wanted to go through the Reid pick on what I think the FO was thinking. I'm going to compare him to Vacarro.


I really believe they thought Reid was the #1 safety over Vaccaro. Out of all the safties in the draft he had the best height/weight/speed (long arms, 4.4 forty) and Baallke likes to draft players with these intagiblies that the coaches can coach up, he hits hard like Goldson. Vacorro hits hard too but Reid hits with more authority. Last he fits are scheme better than Vacarro. Vacarro is very good man saftey but we rarely ask are safties to play man because are front seven is so good. Reid is the better center field safety, but not by much, that can roam around and blow mother f--- up. This is going to be fun to watch this year.

Thanks for the response. I think the difference we will see between Goldson and Reid is that Goldson had better coverage skills at this stage of their career. He was a converter corner from Washington. Reid has excellent straight line speed, better than Goldson, but I think we will see a sure drop in productivity at the position in 2013.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Did you post your BPA boards in previous years? I remember certain things in the context of conversation (like your fondness for JJ Watt, Gabbert, dislike of Mays, etc), but I don't remember you doing BPA boards in previous years the way that you did this year. Did you do that and I just missed it?

I did, but stupidly enough in the previous years, embedded it inside threads. I wanted it to stand out this year so everyone could see my BPA board (and I wouldn't lose it for reference sake), just like the Big Board.

LA9erFan,

Here was my BPA board from 2010. It was on my Stacking the Board thread. Found it in a search.

MadDog's 49ers Draft Board- Stacking the Top 50 Players
Board Rank Name Position
1 Eric Berry S
2 Ndamukong Suh DT/DE
3 Russell Okung OT
4 CJ Spiller RB
5 Sam Bradford QB
6 Gerald McCoy DT/DE
7 Joe Haden CB
8 Mike Iupati G/OT
9 Brandon Graham OLB
10 Dez Bryant WR
11 Trent Williams OT
12 Anthony Davis OT
13 Charles Brown OT
14 Maurkice Pouncey C/G
15 Bryan Bulaga OT
16 Kyle Wilson CB
17 Earl Thomas CB/S
18 Dan Williams NT
19 Jared Odrick DE
20 Ryan Matthews RB
21 Rolando McClain LB
22 Bruce Campbell OT
23 Rodger Saffold OT
24 Nate Allen S
25 Morgan Burnett S
26 Devin McCourty CB
27 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB/S
28 Arrelious Benn WR
29 Sergio Kindle OLB
30 Jason Pierre-Paul OLB
31 Jerry Hughes OLB
32 John Jerry G/OT
33 Jahvid Best RB
34 Golden Tate WR
35 Jon Asamoah G
36 Jason Worilds OLB
37 Everson Griffen OLB
38 Derrick Morgan OLB/DE
39 Jimmy Clausen QB
40 Chad Jones S
41 Jermaine Gresham TE
42 Dexter McCluster RB
43 Vladimir Ducasse OT
44 Aaron Hernandez TE
45 Jared Veldheer OT
46 Koa Misi OLB
47 Demaryius Thomas WR
48 Kareem Jackson CB
49 Terrence Cody NT
50 Thaddeus Gibson OLB

A few regrets from this draft, as always, but was pretty good in stacking the top part of my board. Wish I had M. Pouncey, JPP, and D. Thomas higher, but I loved Berry and Suh at the top, and had Iupati at 8. I saw him as a stud and pumped him on the board way in advance.

Much appreciated. And yes, I remember your advocacy of Iupati.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Much appreciated. And yes, I remember your advocacy of Iupati.

I know people freaked out over him after listening to Mike Mayock talk about the holding penalties during the Senior Bowl game. I simply said, "Coaches and scouts thought he was the most likely player at the Senior Bowl practices to be a Pro Bowler someday". I didn't even need that comment, since I saw him destroy others during the practice sessions. In the game, they were flipping him back and forth between right and left guard, and almost all of the problems happened on the right side, which was not his usual position.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I always look at it from a financial aspect . I think we had our guy(Reid) rated higher. Baalke said he had the deal agreed to contingent on Reid being there at 18, and the Cowboys wanted to still do the trade.

Idk, I like the pick, I thought the trade up was weird, but I'm cool with it. We got a good FS to be next to whitner, then whoever we add to take over for Whitner.

I believe Reid is the replacement for Whitner in a years time. The 49ers FO wants two interchangeable safeties and Reid is one of them. The other one will come in the 2014 draft

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Much appreciated. And yes, I remember your advocacy of Iupati.

I know people freaked out over him after listening to Mike Mayock talk about the holding penalties during the Senior Bowl game. I simply said, "Coaches and scouts thought he was the most likely player at the Senior Bowl practices to be a Pro Bowler someday". I didn't even need that comment, since I saw him destroy others during the practice sessions. In the game, they were flipping him back and forth between right and left guard, and almost all of the problems happened on the right side, which was not his usual position.

MD, how did everyone and their mother miss on Geno Atkins that year? Big school, good production, size, measurables etc.

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Much appreciated. And yes, I remember your advocacy of Iupati.

I know people freaked out over him after listening to Mike Mayock talk about the holding penalties during the Senior Bowl game. I simply said, "Coaches and scouts thought he was the most likely player at the Senior Bowl practices to be a Pro Bowler someday". I didn't even need that comment, since I saw him destroy others during the practice sessions. In the game, they were flipping him back and forth between right and left guard, and almost all of the problems happened on the right side, which was not his usual position.

MD, how did everyone and their mother miss on Geno Atkins that year? Big school, good production, size, measurables etc.

It just shows what a crapshoot the draft can be at times. Look at MD's top 50. Probably 20% of those guys have been busts or close to it. (Not just MDs by the way.. Im sure every draft guy that year).

Great call on Geno Atkins - and great pick-up.

Only time will tell with our draft. I really like our chances with he guys selected.

If I ever need reason to doubt Maddog, I just remember Adam Carriker.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I am pasting my draft from the past few years. This was embedded inside the Draft War Room Thread About Baalke and Harbaugh drafting ability.

Here was my last three drafts based on my board and team needs at each pick:2010 NFL Draft
1. Iupati (I graded him as the eighth best player in the draft...probably too low).
1. Dez Bryant
2. Morgan Burnett
3. Owusu-Ansah
6. Doug Worthington
6. Cody Davis
6. Jeff Owens
7. Dorin Dickerson

2011 NFL Draft: Here were my post draft notes I posted in the "Redo" thread (I did not trade for Kaepernick in this draft)
1- JJ Watt, DE, Wisconsin Simply the best player on the board at the time. Since Franklin appears to be leaving, moving Soap to NT would necessitate a new DE to take over right away.
2- Rodney Hudson, G/C, Florida State I think Hudson is the best OL in the entire draft, and is a starter at guard or center.
3- Curtis Brown, CB, Texas The team needs a cover corner, and Brown has size and speed.
4- Jordan Todman, RB, UConn I graded Todman just slightly over Hunter, who I really like as well. Both are great value picks at this point.
4- Marcus Cannon, G, TCU Since the Niners have a second fourth rounder, this can be a luxury pick. I'd burn it on a risk. Cannon is a starter at guard some time in the future if he can survive cancer and regain his strength. Worth the risk in the fourth round.
5- Tyrod Taylor, QB, Virginia Tech The Niners need QB depth, and while no one expects Taylor to be a future starter, he can be a solid backup if the starter goes down for a short time.
6- Charles Clay, FB, Tulsa A FB who can run and catch the ball. Sounds like a WCO fullback to me.
6- Justin Rogers, CB, Richmond Team needs a second corner in this draft, and Rogers had a terrific career and offseason.
6- Jerrell Powe, NT, Mississippi Simply a backup, toilet clogger. Every 3-4 team needs one.
7- Ugo Chinasa, OLB, Oklahoma St Was not drafted, but a quick, strong guy who could develop into a nice role player.
7- Jeron Johnson, S, Boise St Also not drafted, but a talented, fast guy who has a ton of experience.
7- Dane Sanzenbacher, WR, Ohio St Competition for Williams in the slot. Sanzenbacher was a seriously clutch WR for the Buckeyes.

2012 NFL Draft
1. Peter Konz
2. Mohammed Sanu
4. Malik Jackson
5. Vick Ballard
6. Antonio Allen
6. Not sure- don't have my notes here at work
7. Not sure- don't have my notes here at work

Recap analysis: I loved my first three picks in 2010. The rest have done little to nothing. In 2011, I hit the jackpot with Watt, but probably blew it with Kaepernick (I had faith in Harbaugh and Smith). I do love my fourth rounders through seventh from Cannon through Sanzenbacher. Missed on Hunter, but hit very well on Cannon, Taylor, Rogers, and especially Johnson, who has been terrific for the Seahawks. In 2012, I believe my draft will hold up well with Konz, Sanu and a studly Ballard leading the way. Once again, you hope to hit on as many as possible and some years turn out better than others.

People can debate the 2010 class, but I would probably give a slight nod to Baalke (The outstanding Bowman pick in the third made up for the disasterous pick of Mays), but I think Iupati, Bryant and Burnett made a strong draft class for me.

I think it is pretty obvious that Baalke's 2011 draft class beat mine so far (this class was a grand slam for him), even though I thought I performed much better than the street with Watt anchoring this class. The entire class made an NFL roster in 2011, except for Chinasa, and I love Jeron Johnson late in the 7th. He is a very good player for the Seahawks. Hudson has a ton of potential, but his injury killed off 2012. He will the man delivering to Alex Smith this year.

Based on the 2012 class, I think my draft is superior to far superior over Baalke's so far. Konz played almost the entire year, and will start this year at center. Mohammed, before going out with injury, had 4 TD's in his last three games. And, Vick Ballard was a monster, better than any selection from Baalke's 2012 class.

i see baalke dominated you in 2010 and 2011 and 2012 is too early to tell. you clearly disagree but 2010 he absolutely crushed you...he got bowman/kyle williams/dixon/ and Anthony Davis...we can debate if dez/burnett is better than bowman/anthony davis...i'm taking baalke's hits on those 2, 2011 its not even close as well.

i commend your effort but baalke has you beat for a reason, he's a pro

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

MD, how did everyone and their mother miss on Geno Atkins that year? Big school, good production, size, measurables etc.

Don't know. Sometimes players slip through the cracks, but the league should have seen a monster in the making. Any time a player aces the Senior Bowl and combine, which he did, you have to take notice. To me, Atkins should have finished second in the DPOY. He was brilliant this year.

Originally posted by iLL49er:

i see baalke dominated you in 2010 and 2011 and 2012 is too early to tell. you clearly disagree but 2010 he absolutely crushed you...he got bowman/kyle williams/dixon/ and Anthony Davis...we can debate if dez/burnett is better than bowman/anthony davis...i'm taking baalke's hits on those 2, 2011 its not even close as well.

i commend your effort but baalke has you beat for a reason, he's a pro

Much too early for anyone to claim victory, although I think my draft class in 2012 will have at least three long term starters in Konz, Sanu and Ballard. I am not sure any player from Baalke's draft class will be a starter for more than a handful of games in their NFL career.

Hey MD, thoughts on raw pass rushers? You missed on Aldon and JPP, and Ansah barely cracked your top 50 this year (TBD on him, of course).

Originally posted by dhp318:

If I ever need reason to doubt Maddog, I just remember Adam Carriker.

If you want to Hesd that direction, it is a slippery slope, since the two players selected after AJ Jenkins and LaMichsel James last year were....Doug Martin and Casey Hayward. Let me rephrase your statement to...

If I ever need a reason to doubt Baalke, I just remember Jenkins and James.

Everyone misses, even Baalke.