Tank Carradine

The only thing I know about him is that he blew out an ACL.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

we better take this mofo

I get the Tank Carradine love around here, as he is a beast. But I think everyone forgets that his starting experience at FSU amounted to half a season, and it wouldn't have even been that much had Brandon Jenkins not gone down.

As I said in the other thread, when you get past the hype and the measurables, Brandon Jenkins is a better football player and he's the FSU pass rusher I'd go with.

Wouldn't be upset at all if we got Tank, though.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

Yep, completely backwards in that assertion. Kap needs far less help than Alex did.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

Yep, completely backwards in that assertion. Kap needs far less help than Alex did.

I would argue shafting one while helping the other would be irresponsible

Originally posted by jreff22:
I would argue shafting one while helping the other would be irresponsible

Agreed. Every front office is going to try to assemble the best pieces they can around their QB regardless of his ability.

Big fan, but just saw this report that compares his knee to Da'quan Bowers
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8429/tank-carradine

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
I get the Tank Carradine love around here, as he is a beast. But I think everyone forgets that his starting experience at FSU amounted to half a season, and it wouldn't have even been that much had Brandon Jenkins not gone down.

As I said in the other thread, when you get past the hype and the measurables, Brandon Jenkins is a better football player and he's the FSU pass rusher I'd go with.

Wouldn't be upset at all if we got Tank, though.

Ziggy Ansah had much less experience than Carradine, that didn't stop the Lions from picking him 5th overall.

Yes, Tank is a bit of a risk/reward type of guy. But Justin Smith's don't grow on trees. We need to develop somebody with the athletic ability to be a stud.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

Yep, completely backwards in that assertion. Kap needs far less help than Alex did.

I would argue shafting one while helping the other would be irresponsible

I wouldn't call being content with the current stable of weapons on offense as irresponsible.

Originally posted by blm7754:
Ziggy Ansah had much less experience than Carradine, that didn't stop the Lions from picking him 5th overall.

Yes, Tank is a bit of a risk/reward type of guy. But Justin Smith's don't grow on trees. We need to develop somebody with the athletic ability to be a stud.

Experience isn't what I was getting at. He was the third best DE on his team the past two years. Granted, the two guys ahead of him were All-Americans, but still. I always thought Tank was a solid pass rusher and I would love to have him, but the Justin Smith comparisons need to stop. I'm not even sure he'd play the same spot as Justin. We could very well be looking at him as a 3-4 OLB.

I see a poor man's Mario Williams: an edge rusher that can turn the corner, not a guy like Justin Smith who's going to provide interior pass rush and eat up blockers.

Originally posted by mtminer:
Big fan, but just saw this report that compares his knee to Da'quan Bowers
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8429/tank-carradine

I think Tank is phenomenal, but why are so many people so confident that he will recover?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

Kap can take more advantage of the weapons.

Originally posted by OregonNiner87:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I had Tank in my mock at #31. I like the idea of a pass rush specialist.

But I will stick with Ertz at #34. My bias is that Baalke will select offense as much as defense. Kap as starter changes the philosophy of the offense and requires more weapons, even more so than the defense that was #2 before the injuries to the Smith brothers.

I'm also concerned about Harvin at Seattle and Austin at St. Louis. The need for a slot corner is perhaps just as needed as a FS. I'm hoping the Niners can trade up into the #45 range and get Robert Alford.

why would we have or need more weapons with Kap as opposed to Alex?

Yep, completely backwards in that assertion. Kap needs far less help than Alex did.

I would argue shafting one while helping the other would be irresponsible

I wouldn't call being content with the current stable of weapons on offense as irresponsible.

With Kap, the offense is more capable of quick strikes. To take advantage of that, certainly better weapons are a plus. For instance, Delainie Walker's blocking ability was more important to Smith's quarterbacking and a power run game than Kap's more option, long passes orientation. Therefore, players like Justin Hunter and Zach Ertz become more valuable to the team this year than they would have in previous years.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
I think Tank is phenomenal, but why are so many people so confident that he will recover?

Because he already has in large part by evidence of his recent workout before scouts. Also, he recovering at the same place as Adrian Peterson did.