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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Brandon Williams in the 3rd? Apparently you're still stuck in December. He's moved up to anywhere between early to late 2nd round consideration. He'll be gone by the 49ers pick in the late 2nd most likely....so realistically its Jesse Williams in the 1st or you take some random project like Geathers late in the draft who likely won't turn out to be much of anything.
Originally posted by eonblue:
What makes you so sure geathers is a bust and williams is a blue chip
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by martysofresh:
Rather have B. Williams in third as well. I agree that our 2nd pick should be Reid or Cyprien. I like both guys. Would love to get Vaccaro tho, wishlist tho. If we could trade up for Austin, that would be great but id trade up for Vaccaro before Austin simply because thats where the hole is
Brandon Williams in the 3rd? Apparently you're still stuck in December. He's moved up to anywhere between early to late 2nd round consideration. He'll be gone by the 49ers pick in the late 2nd most likely....so realistically its Jesse Williams in the 1st or you take some random project like Geathers late in the draft who likely won't turn out to be much of anything.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:I think you are tremendously short-changing him. Williams is talented and rare enough to be a credible potential starter at either DE or NT with good size for both positions. No he's not much of a pass rusher but he's a guy who was one of the top defensive players on the best defense in college football. He's someone who truly can be a difference maker and would greatly improve the depth and effectiveness of the 49ers defensive line.
Originally posted by captain_planet:You guys are crazy.
Doesn't Baalke like college production?
Where on earth is his production?
In 2 seasons at Alabama, he amassed:
17 solo tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, 1.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 forced fumbles, and 0 fumble recoveries?
Absolutely NO WAY we take him in the 1st round.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:Took awhile but finally someone he's it how it was. Williams didn't produce much and I personally think his speed is just not there in the trenches and his lower body has nowhere close to the strength he should for a man his size.
Nothanks to JW
Originally posted by reasonable1:
Ok, I am completely lost on the logic of this board.
Hardly anyone likes John Jenkins for the EXACT SAME REASON they love Jesse Williams.
Is it because Bama beat Georgia?? Or is it some other reason??
Truth told...John Jenkins fits what we do because not only is he a run stuffer, but he is a very quick short area pass rusher who gets great penetration.
Please someone help me understand.
Originally posted by reasonable1:
Originally posted by captain_planet:
You guys are crazy.
Doesn't Baalke like college production?
Where on earth is his production?
In 2 seasons at Alabama, he amassed:
17 solo tackles, 6.5 tackles for a loss, 1.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 forced fumbles, and 0 fumble recoveries?
Absolutely NO WAY we take him in the 1st round.
Originally posted by Ninerfan81:
He played mostly NT at Bama and that's what they do. The dirty work. Clogging up the middle, taking on multiple players to stop the run and free up other's to get to the QB.
Originally posted by reasonable1:I agree with you. However, the point is that the same reasons people are champions for Williams are the EXACT same reasons they discount Jenkins. Which is what I do not understand.
Jenkins clogs the middle, takes on mulitple players, stops the run, frees up others...BUT the caveat to Jenkins is that he is also a very good pass rusher up the middle when called to do so...something that Williams just does not offer.