What strategy do you use for next year's draft?

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Wow, didn't know we are over the cap in 2013 AB. Thanks. I think Goodwin will probably be gone. How much does that free up?

Frees up the 3.7 mil of his base salary. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jonathan-goodwin/

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Wow, didn't know we are over the cap in 2013 AB. Thanks. I think Goodwin will probably be gone. How much does that free up? I see you have him at 5 mil. Hopefully he plays better this year than last. He was slightly above average to me. Also, it would be great to have Sopoaga and RJF both back but I think you might be right. Sopoaga will cost much more and we might have to give RJF a nice contract being that he will probably be the starting NT. I'm really up in the air about what Delanie will want as well although drafting a 2nd TE would be a lot cheaper. We'd lose most of the versatility though that Delanie offers. We might have to start deciding between players though... RJF vs Sopoaga, Gooden vs Grant, Ginn vs Delanie, etc. Also, you hate to ask Justin to take less but maybe ask him to re-do a deal so he gets less this year and then extend him a few more years. Might also be the year we have to replace Haralson. That might save us 2-3 million.

Anyways, back to the draft I guess we have to face it we will lose guys next year. Good thing is I am confident we can find future replacements or instant replacements with that 1, 2, 3 and 3. Add some more depth/competition with the 4-7. Also, what are the chances we tag Goldson again next year? He'd probably hold out on us. We'd probably have to pay him 8 million but might be better than giving him a 5 year deal 2 years from now. I guess we just have to enjoy next season and hope we have a chance at a SB. Things will start to get shaky after this year... too many good players to keep and lots of guys who need to be extended. Hope our coaching staff and front office can get that Pitt/NE/Baltimore system of reloading with next man/coach up. That would be the eventual goal.

Yeah we are over, but wouldn't worry much. We'll get guys to lower cap figures or they will be cut. Goodwin frees up $3.7M, Haralson frees up $2.87M(All of his base and bonuses as they aren't guaranteed).

We could ask Justin to just extend him through 2015, lower his base salary, I'm sure he would have no issue, to around $1M, turn the remaining $6.5M into a signing bonus over 3 seasons at $2,166,667, frees up a total of $5,333,333 in cap room. Also depending on 2012 goes, I would extend Whitner past 2013, he showed he was worth the money in 2011, and I hope he stays for a while. I like him more than Goldson.

Akers would be a guy who is up to him, and how he feels about playing past 2013. I've said in past these are our guys we need to take care of, signed through 2013 include Justin Smith, NaVorro Bowman, David Akers and Donte Whitner, though 2014 include Mike Iupati, Anthony Davis and Aldon Smith.

I like the whole vs each other. Either Sopoaga or RJF, Delanie or Ginn, Gooden or Grant. I am sure 100% Moss would be back if he has a good season and wouldn't cost much.

Thanks for the info AB...

Yeah, not sure that's the right paring for Delanie and Ginn but the other 2 groups seem right. To most it seems like they are putting Bowman vs Goldson as well. Not looking forward to losing any of these guys. I know you guys will say the same thing but with Akers not looking forward to going back to a possibly bad kicker. Nedney and Akers have been saviors. The good news with him is since he is so close with the Harbaugh family and seems to love it here there there probably isn't a chance he leaves us for another team. He will play here until he retires most likely. I know it's a 3 years away but Iupati, Davis and Aldon will be tough as well. Especially Aldon and Iupati. Get ready for more franchise tags.

Anyways, back to the draft if Goldson is gone which isn't guaranteed... we can negotiate with him after our last game correct? Meaning playoffs as well if we make it? Doesn't give us long if we go deep into the playoffs. I'd tag him again next year if he plays well and we can't work out a long deal. He would probably hold out but we'll see. Otherwise, if we don't plan on tagging/re-signing I draft a FS in round 1. S is a hard position to draft but the good news is this year would be a heck of a class. Also, maybe we draft someone and tag Goldson and groom the guy for a year.

edit: AB, man it's a lot tougher when your roster is full of good players. I guess it's a good problem to have but remember the 04 ish era... we had 40 million in cap, nobody on our roster worth re-signing and we didn't go after any free agents. Made things easy but hey Paraag, Baalke and company have to step up their game. Same with the staff... find replacements, work the cap to the max, draft better for cheaper players, sign better contracts

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Thanks for the info AB...

Yeah, not sure that's the right paring for Delanie and Ginn but the other 2 groups seem right. To most it seems like they are putting Bowman vs Goldson as well. Not looking forward to losing any of these guys. I know you guys will say the same thing but with Akers not looking forward to going back to a possibly bad kicker. Nedney and Akers have been saviors. The good news with him is since he is so close with the Harbaugh family and seems to love it here there there probably isn't a chance he leaves us for another team. He will play here until he retires most likely. I know it's a 3 years away but Iupati, Davis and Aldon will be tough as well. Especially Aldon and Iupati. Get ready for more franchise tags.

Anyways, back to the draft if Goldson is gone which isn't guaranteed... we can negotiate with him after our last game correct? Meaning playoffs as well if we make it? Doesn't give us long if we go deep into the playoffs. I'd tag him again next year if he plays well and we can't work out a long deal. He would probably hold out but we'll see. Otherwise, if we don't plan on tagging/re-signing I draft a FS in round 1. S is a hard position to draft but the good news is this year would be a heck of a class. Also, maybe we draft someone and tag Goldson and groom the guy for a year.

edit: AB, man it's a lot tougher when your roster is full of good players. I guess it's a good problem to have but remember the 04 ish era... we had 40 million in cap, nobody on our roster worth re-signing and we didn't go after any free agents. Made things easy but hey Paraag, Baalke and company have to step up their game. Same with the staff... find replacements, work the cap to the max, draft better for cheaper players, sign better contracts

Goldson would be free to negotiate after final regular season game. I want to see them take care of our own top guys more so, Bowman, Iupati, Davis, Whitner, talk with Justin and Akers. I think 2013 will be quieter come Free Agency time. I don't see us bringing in a big name, even if we lose Sopoaga and Goldson. I think we would look cheap route for FS and drafting a new NT. I hope we keep Jean Francois, Gooden, Ginn, Delanie and Moss, only guy I would give multi year deal are RJF and Delanie. The others 1 yr deals.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Goldson would be free to negotiate after final regular season game. I want to see them take care of our own top guys more so, Bowman, Iupati, Davis, Whitner, talk with Justin and Akers. I think 2013 will be quieter come Free Agency time. I don't see us bringing in a big name, even if we lose Sopoaga and Goldson. I think we would look cheap route for FS and drafting a new NT. I hope we keep Jean Francois, Gooden, Ginn, Delanie and Moss, only guy I would give multi year deal are RJF and Delanie. The others 1 yr deals.

Thanks for clearing that up. Gives us from Jan to early March to work out a deal if we want to. Although if we are in the playoffs that could distract from the negotiations. Anyways, no doubt we should concentrate on our guys. I think if we don't re-sign Goldson after this year and he leaves we draft a FS in round 1 (or at least that's what I would do). I would definitely re-sign RJF. Sopoaga I'd inquire but he's going to be 31 around when the season starts so he'd be 32 if we re-signed him. Granted most NT can go to an older age plus Sopoaga did have a few seasons he wasn't playing much. Who knows what he will want though... last deal was 5 years 20 million. Might not be able to afford both and I think we have to go with the younger cheaper RJF if it comes down to it.

Again, Delanie is up in the air for me on what he will want. I'd re-sign him for a reasonable price. Ginn might not want to come back if he doesn't get enough touches but if he does well in the return game we definitely want him back. Back to RJF... you wouldn't start him at NT? You said you would draft a new NT. Or are you talking about drafting a backup and losing Ian? Moss I would bring back if he does well... and I would say he would only re-sign with us... don't see him leaving for another team. Back to the draft though depending on what happens I target FS round 1... maybe OL (C?, RG?) in round 2 or 3. Use the other 3 or 2 on a WR or maybe DL. 4-7 would be depth for me... work the rounds... give up some of those extra picks to move up in rounds.

You think we approach anybody during the season or before this season? With 2 years left Bowman would be a lot cheaper to extend now but they might wait until after this year. Guys like Justin I talk to now if I am the front office. See if we can extend him a year or two and re-work it to give us more cap room. Akers I definitely wait to see how he feels in a year or two... like I said don't think there is much danger of him leaving us. Whitner I probably start working on after this year.... he is still really young and maybe he can prove he was worth the 8th overall pick (thanks bills). We'll see how he does this year.

ask me when the season ends it all depends on how everyone plays next year

trade all de' picks

Great input.

In respect to Ginn, it seems he hasn't ad anyone really interested in him the last two years so, if they offer him a longer deal at a descent $ - would he take it?

I totally agree we need to take care of the top guys first. Very confident in Baalke/JH/Parage to get it done.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Great input.

In respect to Ginn, it seems he hasn't ad anyone really interested in him the last two years so, if they offer him a longer deal at a descent $ - would he take it?

I totally agree we need to take care of the top guys first. Very confident in Baalke/JH/Parage to get it done.

Yeah, it says he liked the Lions but they didn't offer him a contract. Did anyone actually offer him one besides us? Must have been pretty bad out there for him if he took a 1 year 1.375 mil deal with us. Problem we would have to figure out is if he does well returning again this year do we sign him long term and use one of the WR spots on him? Personally, I think he's worth a spot but it sucks he could take playing time from Jenkins or Williams who could be the better WRs even this year. Having him means one of those guys will probably have to be inactive each game if not both for certain games. Also, I think it depends on if Williams, Cox, etc get a shot at returning... if someone does well maybe that eliminates the need for him. If we do offer him a long term deal it would be return specialist kind of money which is no more than 2 mil a year. Another big problem if Ginn does well returning and doesn't get he touches he wants at WR will he be happy just playing the return specialist role? It's something he has to decide for himself. Be a valuable return man on a great team or go be a more valued WR on a worse team.

Pick up a WR in 1st like Calvin, then best avaiable RB and then either or Rb/WR/ then Rb/WR/TE then phillip rivers.

If the offense does well then I would draft some defensive players for depth and the future. Only because other than any deficiencies we may have on offense I don't think this team will have any glaring needs they can pretty much take best player available for every pick and kick back through the draft. That is always nice..

IMO it still depends on the quaterback situation. i know i know what everybody is going to say. that we have a qb in alex smith but we are only fans and the front office and coach know more than we do. everybody on here thinks a smith is the qb but coaching and fo dont. they didnt lock him up long term and he is at the time when qb get locked up long term. this isnt an a smith bashing im just looking at facts. im not sold on his last season nor any others. i for one have long been ready to move on from. if he pans out good but hes only signed for three yrs. if he doesnt then the other problem is kaepernick. everybody assumes hes not what was expected. do we stick w him as qb in waiting. a smith is rite in the middle of his career. so to sum it up i think nxt years draft all depends on how the qb play is this year and the back up.

Originally posted by SundayTicket:
Pick up a WR in 1st like Calvin, then best avaiable RB and then either or Rb/WR/ then Rb/WR/TE then phillip rivers.

You think we'll go WR and RB in the first and second round again?

Originally posted by SundayTicket:

Pick up a WR in 1st like Calvin, then best avaiable RB and then either or Rb/WR/ then Rb/WR/TE then phillip rivers.

Ya ok

Id draft a C in the early 2nd to back-up Goodwin. Then a true RG with a mid-late 2nd. but thats if we managed to do that. I feel that as of right now, OL, NT, and S would be the positions to target. WR would be my 4th priority in this draft, but probably the first priority in the 2014 draft. truly depends on alot of factors, and thats what makes it so hard. How will moss do? Will Crabtree and KW have breakout seasons? How well is Jenkins developing? and How expendable is Ted Ginn? On top of that, how good is the talent we have on the Practice Squad(Owusu and Palmer) and can we retain them?