Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I would LOVE Prince. Im trying to warm myself on Dalton in the 2nd. I trust Harbaugh though.
Peterson or Prince or Miller at 7
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The Case to Draft Plug and Play Draftees in 2011
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Apr 6, 2011 at 2:37 PM
- TlSSER
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Apr 6, 2011 at 4:52 PM
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Originally posted by highway49:Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The NFLPA is beginning its argument today before a federal judge, and it should be interesting to see if the owners' lockout will be allowed by the government. Knowing the history of labor squabbles, more than likely the players are going to lose this argument, and the impasse will continue far into the summer.
With this in mind, I think the Niners may be best served to target plug and play draftees in 2011, even if their ceiling is not as high as other players. As we have seen in most cases throughout the years, rookies who are delayed getting into camp due to contract issues or injuries struggle their rookie year in the NFL, and many, if not most, are not able to recover to become highly productive pros. My premise is based on analyzing these scenarios, not on data analysis (if someone wants to run numbers, please be my guest).
With an indefinite timetable before this labor situation is resolved, draftees can respond in many different ways. My guess is that mature, well-grounded, disciplined, intelligent, and experienced players will stay in top shape, train, and even watch tape during the dog days of summer, and will be somewhat prepared for the start of the 2011 season. Meanwhile, many players will sit on their butt, get out of shape, get in trouble with the law, and be completely unprepared when the veil is lifted. In other words, we could see a lot of busts from this draft class.
With this incredibly wordy start, it may be best that the Niners, in this extraordinary year, select players such as Prince Amakumara, a team captain who you know is going to be reliable, and ready to play right away. He may never be spectacular, but he will be in shape, mentally ready, and will carry a low bust probability. Going further, the Niners could stay in that same frame of mind, and draft another team captain, and person who loves the game, Kentucky's Randall Cobb, at 45, and completely bypass the QB chaos of 2011. Carrying this further, if he drops into their laps at 76, Penn State guard/center Stefen Wisniewski, is a team captain, Academic All-American, and well-grounded, having dad and uncle as former NFL players.
None of these three above players may be the athlete/player we would draft in a normal year, with mini-camps, OTA's and training camps that tend to keep players in good shape and sharp-minded. However, this may be the year the Niners play conservative in their draft selection, and select intelligent, disciplined players who are ready to go when the first whistle sounds. It may not be the sexiest of selections, but in a strange and wacky year, playing it safe may be the best option.
Good read MD 20/20,but it seems to me your line of reasoning also applys to Veteran players as well. Every team from top to bottom uses the offseason to prepare for the upcoming season. If and when this season begins,[my guess is late Sept] the teams that are in the best shape both physically and mentally will have a leg up. IMO as all the teams are afffected by the lock out equally,[in theory at least] things will tend to even itself out in the early part of the season. I still lean towards a PBA line of thought, And Prince is still in that picture too. High character players are most always good bets.
Agreed that the vets need to be prepared to go. Teams with good systems and strong veteran leadership will have an upper hand next year, more than a typical year.
Apr 9, 2011 at 4:57 PM
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Originally posted by SourdoughDan:Originally posted by TlSSER:Originally posted by MadDog49er:
The NFLPA is beginning its argument today before a federal judge, and it should be interesting to see if the owners' lockout will be allowed by the government. Knowing the history of labor squabbles, more than likely the players are going to lose this argument, and the impasse will continue far into the summer.
With this in mind, I think the Niners may be best served to target plug and play draftees in 2011, even if their ceiling is not as high as other players. As we have seen in most cases throughout the years, rookies who are delayed getting into camp due to contract issues or injuries struggle their rookie year in the NFL, and many, if not most, are not able to recover to become highly productive pros. My premise is based on analyzing these scenarios, not on data analysis (if someone wants to run numbers, please be my guest).
With an indefinite timetable before this labor situation is resolved, draftees can respond in many different ways. My guess is that mature, well-grounded, disciplined, intelligent, and experienced players will stay in top shape, train, and even watch tape during the dog days of summer, and will be somewhat prepared for the start of the 2011 season. Meanwhile, many players will sit on their butt, get out of shape, get in trouble with the law, and be completely unprepared when the veil is lifted. In other words, we could see a lot of busts from this draft class.
With this incredibly wordy start, it may be best that the Niners, in this extraordinary year, select players such as Prince Amakumara, a team captain who you know is going to be reliable, and ready to play right away. He may never be spectacular, but he will be in shape, mentally ready, and will carry a low bust probability. Going further, the Niners could stay in that same frame of mind, and draft another team captain, and person who loves the game, Kentucky's Randall Cobb, at 45, and completely bypass the QB chaos of 2011. Carrying this further, if he drops into their laps at 76, Penn State guard/center Stefen Wisniewski, is a team captain, Academic All-American, and well-grounded, having dad and uncle as former NFL players.
None of these three above players may be the athlete/player we would draft in a normal year, with mini-camps, OTA's and training camps that tend to keep players in good shape and sharp-minded. However, this may be the year the Niners play conservative in their draft selection, and select intelligent, disciplined players who are ready to go when the first whistle sounds. It may not be the sexiest of selections, but in a strange and wacky year, playing it safe may be the best option.
2 MAIN reasons why he fits that criteria
1. He's African (which means he's not lazy and is a very hard worker)
2. He's Christian (which means he's all about hard work and dedication)
PRINCE...........c'mon DOWN!!!!!!!
And he's a PRINCE!!! That is way too cool to pass up!
He's starting to sound like Eddy Murphy.
Apr 9, 2011 at 5:57 PM
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Isn't Sam Acho a good student too. A Prince , Dalton, Acho, Fua would fit the criteria and fill all positional needs.
The idea makes sense. If your family has never had money and you just became a guaranteed 21-22 yr old millionaire, it would be hard to train.
I kind of like Quinn for that reason, he seemed pretty polished in his interview, and an extra month or two on top of a one year layoff is a lot easier to adjust to. He will come in hungry.
The idea makes sense. If your family has never had money and you just became a guaranteed 21-22 yr old millionaire, it would be hard to train.
I kind of like Quinn for that reason, he seemed pretty polished in his interview, and an extra month or two on top of a one year layoff is a lot easier to adjust to. He will come in hungry.
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