Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by BayAreaNinersFan:
look up the youtube video of Ricky Stanzi talking about his 'american pride'. He's a first-class bigot and as much as the Niners are my life, I vowed to stop watching football if we drafted him and he became our QB.
But when it comes to on -the field significance of all this (if you aren't big on political/intellectual matters like myself--and theres nothing wrong with that), I'd venture to guess the bigotry and callousness he displays in the interview will carry over into his ability to lead men and, ultimately, realize his own true potential. Good quarterbacks are leaders, and he seems to be the farthest thing from inspiring. it's the kind of thing that shows itself when s**t hits the fan.
although..if he thought Iowa was too liberal for him, it definitely woulda been a little humorous to see him react to SF culture.
If you can't tell I'm hella bugged by ricky stanzi, f**k that guy. Would love to meet him one day.
You can't be freaking serious!!!!
This guy gets standing ovations at the Chiefs Preseason games, the fans love him. And he continues to improve each game, it baffles me that Harbaugh and Baalke past him up for (LOL) Kaepernick. So far Stanzi and McElroy are looking 10x's the QB then what Kaepernick has shown.
its about upside, Kaps ceiling is higher
we get the O line blocking correctly, Edwards and Crabs on the field together, and Gore running the ball things will look a lot better
Kaeps ceilling is higher says who??? Who determines upside, no one but the player on the field, upside is none other than a media word. Tell me who's upside is higher Sam Bradfords, Alex Smith or Matt Stafford??
if Stafford keeps getting hurt he will be out of the league in 3 years, if Alex doesn't turn it around this year he will be a career backup, Bradford probably has the highest out of the 3 but I still think he's gonna get that shoulder KO'd at some point as well. Or if you put all 3 together in the same draft who would go first.....Bradford, Stafford, and Alex....why, because Bradford has the higher ceiling and that's why he should go first.
Ceiling is a measuring stick not a "media" word. Some kids have higher potential because of their physical attributes (for example), they just need a little time to learn. Kap is a vastly superior athlete compared to Stanzi and McElroy and will continue to improve. He is learning a new system as is the rest of the offense. I would hope that 2 rookie QB's playing for playoff teams would have an easier time compared to what we have.
So by your measuring stick its about the situation around the QB, correct. So in that case Stanzi and McElroy who both come from Pro style offenses with a better situation around them have the better Upside than a QB who has to learn to take snaps from under center and tweak his mechanics.
Edit: Btw I could give two s**ts about how good an athlete a QB is, I want a QB who utilizes his weapons around him and makes quick good decision....consistently.
I think Stanzi and McElroy will have an easier transition into the NFL because of their previous systems and the fact the teams they are playing for are not horrible at the moment. The situation really has nothing to do with the ceiling argument, both of those guys look better now because of their situation. They have better blocking, better RB's, and better WR's to work with. So far Alex hasn't even gotten to play 1 down with the full starting unit (Crabs, Edwards, Gore). I don't like making history arguments but Walsh saw something in Young even though he didn't really start out great, and we are still talking about preseason. Every RB we have had the last 4-5 years in preseason has led the league in stats.....has that helped us in any way yet? When the QB's get adequate blocking to actually make a play consistently, I will judge their decision making.
Again so who has the better upside, sure the three QB's mentioned will probably be a while till they're capable of starting. BUT, I'm willing to bet my smart money that Stanzi and McElroy will transition faster in the Pro's and be much more successful than "Mr. Upside'. Aahh the "Steve Young" card, I'd have to say that was more a finding in which the piece was able to fit in with your puzzle, same with Tom Brady another piece to the puzzle, clearly Gio Carmazzi had more upside. Where was the Upside factor when Druckenmiller was drafted??? Who had more upside, Druckenmiller or Jake Plummer.....again the word upside means nothing when evaluating a player IMO. Tell me, hows Alex Smith's upside looking on a one-year contract with a horrid O-line?? Here's another one, who had more "upside" Steve Fuller or Joe Montana??
Sorry for getting so worked up, I just can't stand that word "Upside", no one really knows who really has more. To say that means you can predict the future, its silly.
[ Edited by Kolohe on Aug 29, 2011 at 12:44 AM ]