All four top OTs gone by #10, which OL then?

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
If it were me, I would go with Spiller at 13 and either Iupati or Brandon Graham at 17 (assuming they were available at those spots, respectively) and look for an OT in the second. No reaching for an OT, and I'm not a big fan of either Charles Brown or Bruce Campbell.

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I second the motion. Although the thought of another season with Adam in there at RT is a pretty grim thought.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by PTulini:
On "Path to the Draft" tonight (03/09/10), Mike Mayock says he DOES NOT believe that the 4 top OTs (Okung, Bulaga, Williams, and Davis) will drop out of the top 10 picks. Mayock says Oklahoma's OT Trent Williams' stock is climbing after a strong showing at his pro-day. He improved his numbers in almost every drill.

Now what do the 49ers do? I'm starting to get worried!

I tend to disagree with Mayock's assessment of Davis. I've got to believe a lesson was learned last year with Andre Smith, and since Davis obviously went to the "Andre Smith Preparational School for the Combine", his stock will fall out of the top 10.

Here is why only three maximum tackles will be taken in the top 10 picks:

None are going at numbers 1,2,3.
At four, the Skins could go Clausen or Okung. I've penciled in Okung.
At five, the Chiefs could go with the next tackle, but Berry is going to be way too attractive.
At six, the Seahawks are drafting QB, if Clausen is on the board. Especially with Wallace being traded.
At seven, the Browns are NOT drafting OT.
At eight, the Raiders have a good chance of drafting an OT.
At nine, the Bills seem to be leaning toward a tackle.
At ten, the Jags drafted two last year. Not going to happen.

In other words, the only scenario I could perceive where four tackles are taken is if the Chiefs draft an OT. And, I think Berry will be way too attractive.

You have probably answered this elsewhere, but if you are right and he drops, do we take him or do we respect the reasons he dropped and leave him? In other words, where should he be taken?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
If those 4 guys are gone, I'd rather go non-OT with those first 2 picks rather than reach for someone at 13 and 16/17. We could probably trade back and grab Charlws Brown or Vlad Ducasse, or stay put and go Jason Fox, Rodger Saffold or Jared Veldheer later.

I agree. I thought you was a big Bruce Campbell fan. Not high on him anymore?

I still like Campbell, but the best scenario for him is to have a veteran RT start while he takes a year to learn how to play the position...now that Pashos is gone, that's not likely to happen here, so I don't see Campbell as being a great fit for us now.

Could Anthony Davis' stock be dropping?

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A few offensive line coaches showed up to Rutgers' Pro Day Wednesday, hoping to watch tackle Anthony Davis work out.

According to Mike Mayock on NFL Network, Davis didn't show up because of a hamstring injury that wasn't fully communicated to teams. Feeling sick, Davis wasn't even at the school. (Hmm.)

Mayock reports that coaches then needed to call Davis to come in to meet them. When he arrived, he wouldn't weigh in. (Hmm.)

Davis is a first-round pick, but there have been some concerns raised previously about his weight fluctuations and maturity. Wednesday's adventures can't help his case.

So this Davis issue raises an interesting question.

Would you rather have Bruce Campbell- work out warrior, or Davisn who doesn't even show upto his own pro day?

rather have davis than cambell he can still play i seriously hope he has a private workout wouldnt get him at 13 but at 17 ill take him

If all four do go, I then think it will Iupati at #17 rather than Campbell or Brown. Then they would grab that RT in the second (Saffold) or third (Veldheer, Calloway). Still, I am really hoping T. Williams makes it to #13 as he seems to be even better than anticipated especially at our primary area of need: Right Tackle!

C'mon baby, daddy needs a new right tackle...

Wow, Davis is really killing his draft stock right now. I know Bruce Campbell only has 17 career starts, but hasn't he played in more games than this?

If Snyder starts for us on opening day, I fire Scottiemac after the first play.

Originally posted by ninertico:
If all four do go, I then think it will Iupati at #17 rather than Campbell or Brown. Then they would grab that RT in the second (Saffold) or third (Veldheer, Calloway). Still, I am really hoping T. Williams makes it to #13 as he seems to be even better than anticipated especially at our primary area of need: Right Tackle!

C'mon baby, daddy needs a new right tackle...

Roll them dice!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by ninertico:
If all four do go, I then think it will Iupati at #17 rather than Campbell or Brown. Then they would grab that RT in the second (Saffold) or third (Veldheer, Calloway). Still, I am really hoping T. Williams makes it to #13 as he seems to be even better than anticipated especially at our primary area of need: Right Tackle!

C'mon baby, daddy needs a new right tackle...

Roll them dice!

Shake'em up, shake'em up

I think I'd have to go w/Campbell...he's very athletic, can play LT and is adept at zone blocking, all attributes OL Coach Solari's looking for. Sing/Mac can get their OG in 3rd rd, I'd go w/Mike Johnson from Alabama.

Charles Brown- I know everything has to be WIN NOW, but he may end up showing the rest of this OT class how it's done. HE's a little light in the Levis, needs some playing time, but his got great feet, long arms , can play both ROT and LOT, comes from a zone blocking scheme, and good coaching.

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by ninertico:
If all four do go, I then think it will Iupati at #17 rather than Campbell or Brown. Then they would grab that RT in the second (Saffold) or third (Veldheer, Calloway). Still, I am really hoping T. Williams makes it to #13 as he seems to be even better than anticipated especially at our primary area of need: Right Tackle!

C'mon baby, daddy needs a new right tackle...

Roll them dice!

Shake'em up, shake'em up

Damn it! Snake eyes!!!

Wouldn't you know it. Out of all the years to land an OT, we have to do it when there are six teams ahead of us who want one of the four top tackles. This is the way I see it happening as of today:

StL--Bradford-Consensus #1 after Bulger bye, bye
Det--Suh-Worth too much in comparison to Okung
TB--McCoy-Takes DT who drops
Wash--Okung--Another almost guaranteed placement after McNabb trade
KC--Williams--Worth more than a Safety, move Albert over to OG
Sea--Bulaga-They have to take an OT as one won't be available at #14
Cle--Berry--It will be he or Clausen. BPA in area of immediate need.
Oak--Davis--They take the last tackle who will BPA
Buf--Clausen--He drops onto their laps and no more OTs
Jax--Haden--Florida product stays and takes care of need and BPA
Den--Bryant--I believe Marshall will be gone and he takes his place, returns on ST
Mia--Williams--It will be he or McClain, but Williams value is much higher

SF So what now? In this scenario the obvious choice is the last top 10 pick in Spiller. It has to be. Who else? D. Morgan? R. McClain, E. Thomas? B. Graham? S. Kindle? It has to be Spiller.

Sea--Morgan--New elephant for Carroll's D and BPA
NYG--McClain--They thank lucky stars, starter from day one
Ten--JPP--Best option at DE for their beleaguered pass rush

SF What now deja vu? No OT value here so who? Iupati at RT or draft non-OL in E. Thomas or B. Graham? Graham VS Brooks. We just signed Brooks. If we land Pitts, then bye Iupati.

Even without Pitts, I honestly think it is now E. Thomas in this scenario. Why? BPA and need. Man, we were burned so many times over the top and he can play the nickle as a CB, double the value! Thomas' range certainly fits our need for that center-fielder. E. Thomas becomes our new FS moving Goldson to SS leaving M. Lewis and R. Smith as their respective backups for great depth, finally.

Given we have a great OL coaching tandem in Solari and Brown who have expertise in developing young talent, I can see us drafting our next ROT in the second or even third. What Tico? You crazy. I believe that anyone of these can make it as our ROT: Saffold, Ducasse, Veldheer, Fox, Jerry, etc. only because of our new coaching staff. Forcing Iupati to RT is the last thing we need in the OL.

Still, I hate the fact that we are not going to land one of the top four tackles. The only way and I mean only way we get one is if one of the six OT needy teams choose someone other than an OT:

Wash--Okung--One down!
KC--Berry! He's our chance there!
Sea--Bulaga--Perfect for zone, two down!
Oak--Campbell or JPP or T. Williams, Three down!
Buf--Clausen! He's our chance there!

In other words KC, Oak, and Buf must choose someone other than an OT for us to land either Williams or Davis, IMO because Seattle will employ a zone scheme which Bulaga happened to play at Iowa whose OL program is more Pro ready than most. Just makes sense.

Still, let the chips fall where they may...


Daddy still needs that right tackle, baby!!!

Niners go with an 2nd tier OL in the second round.

That would be the smart thing to do.