OFFICIAL Senior Bowl 2010

Just to add to the Ford discussion, I found these comments about him from his prep school coach. It should be noted that Hargrave Academy has many alumni in the NFL:

From Roanoke.com:

FORK UNION MILITARY ACADEMY football coach John Shuman says he has an appointment Monday at 10 a.m., with Virginia coach Al Groh, who will take advantage of an open date to meet with FUMA wide receiver Jacoby Ford.

Shuman said that Ford “is probably our best prospect ever. Ever. This young man, Jacoby Ford, is the fastest human being I’ve seen here in 25 years. We’ve just gone through four weeks of the hardest-hitting teams we play and this kid came out with 12 touchdowns – any and every way possible.”

Ford, from Cardinal Newman High School in West Palm Beach, Fla., is the younger brother of former Florida State running back Davy Ford. When Davy Ford was working out with Dallas, Cowboys’ linebacker Dexter Coakley, a Fork Union alumnus, recommended that he send younger brother to FUMA.

When Jacoby Ford went to Fork Union for a combine in May, he was timed in 4.19 seconds for 40 yards. Virginia assistants Danny Rocco and John Garrett were on hand for the workout and offered Ford on the spot.

I can tell you that Clemson coaches were on hand as well when Ford ran that famous 40 time, as were a bunch of other coaches. His recruiter at Clemson said that all of the coaches thought they had mistimed him individually until they started comparing notes and realized that they all had about the same number on their clocks. None of them had ever timed anyone that fast before.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by miked1978:
Can Alex Carrington play end in our 3-4? He's listed at 6'5" 284lbs. He seems to be impressing many at the senior Bowl.

How far has Jacoby Ford jumped up draft boards? I know its early but he says he will run a 4.2 forty at the combine. He reportedly ran a 4.126 in high school I think he may go in the 3rd round now.

Ford should be gone in the 2nd.

In February 2009, at the Virginia Tech Elite Meet, Ford ran a 6.52-second 60-meter dash, which was one-hundredth of a second shy of an NCAA record.

The kid is fast but has shown pretty good route running so far. I could see him slide into the late first but he shouldn't fall out of the 2nd. Ford and Spiller should have fun running at the combine.

Al Davis

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Just to add to the Ford discussion, I found these comments about him from his prep school coach. It should be noted that Hargrave Academy has many alumni in the NFL:

From Roanoke.com:

FORK UNION MILITARY ACADEMY football coach John Shuman says he has an appointment Monday at 10 a.m., with Virginia coach Al Groh, who will take advantage of an open date to meet with FUMA wide receiver Jacoby Ford.

Shuman said that Ford “is probably our best prospect ever. Ever. This young man, Jacoby Ford, is the fastest human being I’ve seen here in 25 years. We’ve just gone through four weeks of the hardest-hitting teams we play and this kid came out with 12 touchdowns – any and every way possible.”

Ford, from Cardinal Newman High School in West Palm Beach, Fla., is the younger brother of former Florida State running back Davy Ford. When Davy Ford was working out with Dallas, Cowboys’ linebacker Dexter Coakley, a Fork Union alumnus, recommended that he send younger brother to FUMA.

When Jacoby Ford went to Fork Union for a combine in May, he was timed in 4.19 seconds for 40 yards. Virginia assistants Danny Rocco and John Garrett were on hand for the workout and offered Ford on the spot.

I can tell you that Clemson coaches were on hand as well when Ford ran that famous 40 time, as were a bunch of other coaches. His recruiter at Clemson said that all of the coaches thought they had mistimed him individually until they started comparing notes and realized that they all had about the same number on their clocks. None of them had ever timed anyone that fast before.

Cardinal Newman was always a pain in the ass when we played them.....bunch of tough kids!!!

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

The fact is that I have been saying that Seattle is the key. Do we really think they would go after Iupati instead of a legit LOT prospect? Heck no, IMO. I just don't see the Giants nor the Titans wanting Iupati when they have other huge needs.

Nope, Seattle is the key. If they take a QB first, then it will be Spiller or LOT next. I think Bulaga and Williams will both be available at #13. Either way, we will have a chance at best ROT, best OG or best RB.

I do hear you guys and you have a very persuasive argument for taking ROT first and Iupati or Spiller second. There are more OGs then ROTs in this draft for sure.

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

The fact is that I have been saying that Seattle is the key. Do we really think they would go after Iupati instead of a legit LOT prospect? Heck no, IMO. I just don't see the Giants nor the Titans wanting Iupati when they have other huge needs.

Nope, Seattle is the key. If they take a QB first, then it will be Spiller or LOT next. I think Bulaga and Williams will both be available at #13. Either way, we will have a chance at best ROT, best OG or best RB.

I do hear you guys and you have a very persuasive argument for taking ROT first and Iupati or Spiller second. There are more OGs then ROTs in this draft for sure.

I think Scott will take BPA with both picks. The catch is going to be, one of them will be an o-lineman. Its going to come down to how high Scotty has Spiller on his board. Is he higher than Bulaga, Williams and/or Iupati.

With Scotty's past comments about guards I would think Iupati isn't ranked higher than Spiller and Trent Williams may have fell down a bit after not participating at the Senior Bowl. But with the week Iupati is having could he have moved up on Scotty's board?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Tebow

Whoever saw him taking snaps from under center and still wants to draft him with a 1st is

Really? One practice, the first day of practice no less, and you're ready to draw conclusions about his ability to take a snap from center?

I agree that Tebow isn't 1st round material, but dude, that's pretty lame.

You are agreeing with me yet I am lame

regardless, Tebow is going to be a project at the QB position. Our team can't afford a project 1st round pick for a while.

He is better suited to be groomed on the sidelines on a team that can afford to wait, a team with few holes

I'll break it down for you, since two things can be equally true.

1.) I agree that Tebow isn't 1st round material.

AND

2.) Nobody in their right mind makes a draft status assessment based on one all-star practice, much less what happens on the 1st day of that practice.

So my point was, I agreed that Tebow isn't a 1st round QB, but not because of what happened during the first session at the Senior Bowl practices. That's literally meaningless.

OK

Tim Tebow wasnt 1st round material before or after the practice

You don't get it, do you? I can only explain things, I can't make you understand.

IMO, in your opinion and in the opinion of many, Tebow was not a 1st round pick before or after the senior bowl practices. His performance on the first day has/had nothing to do with his overall evaluation...that is my point. For you to bring that up as some type of "proof" or "example" or "reason" or whatever is and was lame, since it has/had nothing to do with his draft status. He could've handled each and every snap perfectly, and it wouldn't have changed his status one bit. That literally means nothing, which is what I'm trying to explain to you.

Btw, anybody coming into the senior bowl practices this year who thought Tebow was 1st round material was delusional in the first place. The entire year, he's regressed on many fronts, and his weaknesses have really been exposed without many of the weapons he had in prior years. I still think he can play QB in the NFL eventually, but it won't be anytime soon, and it won't be as a 1st round pick.

Yeah, OK

Everything that happened at the practice proved many people's reasoning as to why he is not a 1st round pick. But it is pretty cute how you are trying to twist my words into something else that is pretty "clear" and so "clear" that you agree.

Ok, I'll tell you what you want to hear. You're right.

There, feel better?

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

The fact is that I have been saying that Seattle is the key. Do we really think they would go after Iupati instead of a legit LOT prospect? Heck no, IMO. I just don't see the Giants nor the Titans wanting Iupati when they have other huge needs.

Nope, Seattle is the key. If they take a QB first, then it will be Spiller or LOT next. I think Bulaga and Williams will both be available at #13. Either way, we will have a chance at best ROT, best OG or best RB.

I do hear you guys and you have a very persuasive argument for taking ROT first and Iupati or Spiller second. There are more OGs then ROTs in this draft for sure.

If we decide on Bulaga and Iupati in the first instead of Spiller, McCluster in the 2nd wouldn't be too horrible.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

The fact is that I have been saying that Seattle is the key. Do we really think they would go after Iupati instead of a legit LOT prospect? Heck no, IMO. I just don't see the Giants nor the Titans wanting Iupati when they have other huge needs.

Nope, Seattle is the key. If they take a QB first, then it will be Spiller or LOT next. I think Bulaga and Williams will both be available at #13. Either way, we will have a chance at best ROT, best OG or best RB.

I do hear you guys and you have a very persuasive argument for taking ROT first and Iupati or Spiller second. There are more OGs then ROTs in this draft for sure.

If we decide on Bulaga and Iupati in the first instead of Spiller, McCluster in the 2nd wouldn't be too horrible.

Not at all. Especially if our oline will be great. That means anyone in the backfield will have a chance to take it all the way.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by ninertico:

Originally posted by 9erHIGH:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
If I knew Iupati was the next Larry Allen, I would draft him with the #1 OVERALL pick in the draft. Larry Allen is the best OLman to ever play the game, and one of the top 5 football players of all time.
Larry Allen had a kind of raw strength and leverage that few human beings on the planet Earth possess. Does Iupati have that kind of strength?

Don't get me wrong, Iupati is great, I just think he's a LITTLE overrated on this board. About 3 or 4 slots overrated.

If we miss out on Williams or Bulaga, who are we going to draft at RT? Ciron "fat ass" Black? Is Tony Pashos going to give Alex Smith time? Time is the thing that many on this board suggest is the one thing holding Alex Smith back...
"Smith doesn't have enough time."
"Our line gives Smith only 2.5 milliseconds to throw a pass."
"Our line sucks."
"If Smith had time he would be great." etc...

The level of RT talent drops dramatically after Bulaga and Williams. So we're going to miss out on those players so we can draft a guard at 13 who most scouts put at around 20+?

If we miss out on this chance at drafting a RT, when are we going to get another chance? Free agency? Next year?

This draft is a PERFECT draft for RT in the first round with Bulaga and Williams, especially Williams.

Would you rather have an All-Pro RT or an All-Pro LG? Williams will be a great RT, Iupati MIGHT be a great RT.

We have needed a RT SO badly for SO many years, and we're going to risk it because we don't want to lose a guard who most believe will be available at the 17/16 slot anyway?

Is David Baas so bad (did he even allow a sack last season?) that we have to risk losing our PRIME opportunity to draft a quality, perhaps Pro-Bowl RT, which we have been in DESPERATE need of for almost an entire DECADE?

Williams at 13, Iupati at 16/17 sounds good to me. And in the epic disaster where Iupati is picked at 15, we can get Spiller at 16/17 and draft a darn good guard in the second round.

i'm starting to come around to this way of thinking too.
if we dont get iupati its not the end of the world.
i dont believe we'll be too bad off with j.jerry or m.johnson for instance.
WE DESPERATELY NEED A RT!!! if we dont end up with one in the 1st,
what is our other option? FA will be very quiet this year,
and we havent had tremendous success with that yet...
hopefully we wont be drafting this high again for quite some time

The fact is that I have been saying that Seattle is the key. Do we really think they would go after Iupati instead of a legit LOT prospect? Heck no, IMO. I just don't see the Giants nor the Titans wanting Iupati when they have other huge needs.

Nope, Seattle is the key. If they take a QB first, then it will be Spiller or LOT next. I think Bulaga and Williams will both be available at #13. Either way, we will have a chance at best ROT, best OG or best RB.

I do hear you guys and you have a very persuasive argument for taking ROT first and Iupati or Spiller second. There are more OGs then ROTs in this draft for sure.

If we decide on Bulaga and Iupati in the first instead of Spiller, McCluster in the 2nd wouldn't be too horrible.

Not at all. Especially if our oline will be great. That means anyone in the backfield will have a chance to take it all the way.

Especially since McCluster and Gore aren't tall running backs, they can hide behind our massive offensive front.

i want spiller and ford on this team any way possible. i want our offense to be a speed nightmare for defenses and d cordinators every freaking wk

for those watching the sr bowl alot closer than i have, can you tell me your thoughts on vladimir ducasse....could he help upgrade niners line?

Originally posted by hofer36:
for those watching the sr bowl alot closer than i have, can you tell me your thoughts on vladimir ducasse....could he help upgrade niners line?

hes been struggling

Originally posted by hofer36:
for those watching the sr bowl alot closer than i have, can you tell me your thoughts on vladimir ducasse....could he help upgrade niners line?

Hasn't looked very good at LT getting beat quite often by a bull rush and doesn't have the quick feet to block the speed rush. They tried him at guard and he also struggled against the bull rush.

It looks as if he's losing confidence out there.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by hofer36:
for those watching the sr bowl alot closer than i have, can you tell me your thoughts on vladimir ducasse....could he help upgrade niners line?

Hasn't looked very good at LT getting beat quite often by a bull rush and doesn't have the quick feet to block the speed rush. They tried him at guard and he also struggled against the bull rush.

It looks as if he's losing confidence out there.

I really hope he can get his confidence back. I think teams will be looking at him as a right tackle until he can get more reps against better competition.