Originally posted by stefano89:
we dont have to give kittle and buckner new deals this offseason i dont know why fans out there keep talking like that. we have another year to work a new deal with kittle. buckner wel have to sign by the end of next season, right? so i just dont know why everyone thinks we have to sign everyone now. we dont. we have more time in which within that time more players will come an go, more restructuring will happen and more drafting will happen. not to mention the cap limit will go up.
cuts is how we need to make room. cut the dead weight, solomon thomas, goodwin, dante pettis, mckinnon if we have to, maybe even coleman, trent taylor if he cant stay on the field, richburg if he cant come back from that injury, how much is elijah lee making? cut him he contributes 0. my point is we have money tied up on guys that dont contribute.(coleman and richburg not inlcluded in that part). thats one of the bigger reasons were tight on the cap that people arent noticing. this young FO has made some bad signings. remember pierre garcon.
im not saying wel be able to cut enough to sign a big FA but iv read elsewhere on this board we can get to 40-50$ mil with smart restructuring an cuts. my point is when your trophy window is open and your cap space is tight thats the time to cut the dead weight and use it elsewhere where you need it. no more time for projects and potential.
Signing Buck actually lowers the cap this yr. Waiting until the last min to sign someone is never good if you know they're a LT core player. Price keeps going up and when they get closer to FA they might want to test FA. If Chris Jones signs a LT deal before Buck then Buck will want more than him. Kelce get's a new deal before Kittle, Kittle will want more etc etc.
There's zero reason to not want to extend both guys. Smart teams like the Eagles and NE do this with core guys. It makes the future cap look cleaner (you already know the numbers) and it's better when you have a young team that will need contracts in the future (which we have plenty of).
I don't want to be a dick BUT I'm not sure you understand how the cap works. Just because you cut a guy doesn't mean their money is gone.... Example Thomas is GTD $8.9M this yr regardless if you cut him or not. Cutting him saves ZERO $$ finding a way to trade him would save SF like $4M. Same goes for Pettis you're getting $1.3 in dead money and only saving like $378K. Taylor cost next to nothing on the cap.
Richburg JUST restructured his contract, his cap hit is like $4M this yr (saved like $6M by doing this) it also created about $11M in DM so you LOSE cap space by cutting him this yr....When you restructure a deal, it usually pushes money down the road. Save cash now BUT it adds up in the following yrs. He's not going anywhere. Lee is a RFA which means he's worth next to nothing in the cap and he's not signed currently.
Your point isn't really relevant because all of the names you brought up don't save them much if any by simply cutting them.
ONLY guys that we can cut and save anything worth talking about....
Dee Ford-Save $9M
Sherm-save $12M
Jimmy-save $22.4M
Staley-save $10M
Tartt-save $4M
Coleman-save $4.9M (team option)
McKinnon-save $4M (restructure saves like $6M and there's no DM in 2021)
Goodwin-save $3.6M
Nzeocha-save $1.5M (team option)
Person-Save $2.5M (team option)
*team option means no dead money if cut.
Only ones that make sense to cut are Goodwin/Person/Nze/Coleman IMO.
save $12.5M by cutting them all and restructuring McKinnon to save around $6M that's $18.5M. SF currently has $13M so that's $31.5M.
You want to resign Sanders? His market value is around $10M+ so that drops to $21.5M
You want to resign AA? Lowballing you're looking at $13M+ so now we're down to $8.5M
You want to resign Ward? Well you're looking at around $8M per (lowballing) now we're down to like 500K
Now what
**FWIW giving Buck an extension actually lowers the cap this yr, he's on the books for $14.3M currently...they could set it up where they could save like $10M, without question getting Buck an extension is the biggest domino to fall in saving money this yr.
SO end of the day, it's not a matter of just cutting dudes
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Mar 5, 2020 at 1:35 PM ]