Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
What are you even arguing jedediah? I think you're farther than the point of my post' than ever. lol
My main point to my arguments have been:
1. Would prime Royce Gracie win in today's UFC?
2. Would present Royce Gracie win in today's UFC?
It seems like your post took a left turn somewhere and got lost. lol
What turn? I'm saying the exact same thing I've been saying the entire time.
You don't seem to understand that prepping for and winning a tournament is much harder than prepping for and winning a single fight. You prep for a single fight, you get to study hours of film, plan your fight to counter your opponents strengths, etc... You can't do that in a tournament because you don't know who you're fighting...
And doing it with no weight class restrictions, while being the smallest guy in the tournament is even harder. And doing it with no rules against striking certain body parts, or using the gi for leverage, etc is harder than fighting in today's UFC with all the rules and restrictions. And he won the tournament three times.
You can claim it was because nobody knew how to defend his style -- the first time -- but not the second and third time. Ask Ken Shamrock, who trained in BJJ after he got beat the first time, and then got beat again but got called a draw because of -- guess what -- time limit.
Would today's fighters win back then, when they fought multiple times in a day, against opponents they couldn't prepare for? Today's fighters lose 40% of their matches to replacement fighters who haven't even been training for the fight... and that's with more than a month's notice. s**t, who was that dude a few years ago who won the championship as a replacement fighter?
http://www.betmma.tips/ufc_late_replacement_fight_stats.php
Would a 50 year old win in today's UFC? Really?
One of his two losses came when he was 40 years old. The other came when he was 35. Royce in his prime would submit every fighter in today's UFC, no question.
Like I said you're side tracking from what my argument was geared toward. No one is questioning Royce Gracie as a fighter, nowhere in any of my post did I do that.
It's a simple question or questions, would Royce Gracie win in today's UFC. And you keep going on about how Royce had to do this or that, I don't care about any of that, WOULD HE WIN IN TODAY'S UFC!!!!
FYI you were jumping into the conversation between JBrack and I then totally miss the point to our conversation. lol
And you totally just proved you're arguing without even reading the post, since I answered you.
Still unable to answer the question directly without beating around the bush.
My reason for not replying to all that you've mentioned, again that's not what I'm arguing against. It' like you post other things to avoid my question, hoping I'm gonna somehow take things outta context and argue a different angle.
Here let me repeat this for you one last time before I choose to move on with my life.
Would Royce Gracie win in today's UFC?
or
Would a Royce Gracie in his prime win in today's UFC?
I've answered and refuted that question. What say you?
I literally answered you, in a very straightforward way. Perhaps read the whole post.
Perhaps keep avoiding the question.
Not sure what's so hard in answering it instead of continuing to post things like this.
Again, read the post. Hell, you don't even have to read the entire post, just the last part of it. I answered both your questions, very directly. Not so sure whats so hard about reading the post. You quoted it, the least you can do is read it.
And I'm telling you that your post has nothing to do with my question/s.
Do me a favor and can you put it in bold black letters on the point you're trying to make, that's all I ask?
You can go ahead and tease me about reading comprehension all you want, but just do that for me and let's see if you did in fact answer it. Thanks in advance.
Stubborn mule, you are. All you had to do was read it.
It's funny, because even though I don't think a 50 year old man would be very successful in today's UFC, he fought Ken Shamrock in 2016, and won by TKO.
Lol at fighting Ken Shamrock. The question was would a Royce in his prime win in today's UFC?
Not would he win in a Senior citizens bout. Lol
You asked two questions. One was whether Royce would win today, i.e. a 50 year old man.
Would Royce Gracie win in today's UFC?
or
Would a Royce Gracie in his prime win in today's UFC?
Yes I did, notice where it says the letters 'U' 'F' 'C'.
Well that fight with Shamrock was neither, a fighter in the UFC nor was that fight in the UFC.
So we can both assume the answer to both of the questions asked is NO!!!
Now was that so hard.lol
You still didn't answer my question... would a fighter in today's UFC win three UFC tournaments? Two? One?
Statistics says no. A 40% chance of losing a single fight against a replacement fighter who didn't train to fight them means they would lose 1 out of 4 matches in a tournament... which would mean they'd lose the tournament.
Yet the smallest guy in those tournaments dominated for, what, 5 years?
"They didn't know how to fight against a submission specialist" even though all the other fighting leagues allowed submissions... even the standup leagues.
[ Edited by jedediahyork on Feb 16, 2017 at 8:24 PM ]