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Official 2013-14 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

  • 4ML
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Anyway, back to the Lakers...

Sam Amico: #Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak & George Karl were roommates in college. But Karl tells @SiriusXMNBA he has yet to hear from LAL. Expects to, tho.

Mark Medina: Contrary to what's out there, I've been told by those in the know that Lakers haven't contacted Kevin Ollie yet. No meeting yet is planned
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Sorry, but that's just empty rhetoric to dismiss him with comments like that. He just finished up only his THIRD year as a coach at any level, let alone a head coach in the NBA...was he just supposed to waltz into the league and instantly be better than the likes of Popovich and Doc Rivers? I kinda think going from 21 to 47 to 51 wins and having strong showings in the playoffs, to include taking the Rivers-led Clips with 2 of the Top 10 players in the world to 7 games--WITHOUT your starting center the entire series and final 2 games without your 35-yr old backup center--is indicative of someone with some coaching chops and brings a little more than just "rah rah" to the table.

I think the Warriors improvement is commensurate with the talent that they had on the team. Of course they improved. They added guys and their existing talent got better. They won 36 games under Keith Smart in 2010-11. Steph got hurt in '12 and Jackson was a bit over his head, so they underachieved during that lockout season, but in a broader scope, they're right on track with where you'd expect them to be, considering their age and how much more talented/mature the roster is now compared to 2011.

There's plenty of skepticism about Jackson's X's & O's, even within the Warriors FO. Iguodala was criminally underused. His offensive contribution is as a PG, which gives you the opportunity to run perhaps the best shooting backcourt in NBA history off of screens. Instead, the ball was in Curry's hands way too much, minimizing Iggy's contribution and the overall offensive potential of the team. And the insistence on posting up against mismatches was puzzling, as it was very inefficient. The defensive improvement is great, but there's way too much offensive talent on the team to be the 11th most efficient offense in the league.

C'mon, if you watched the Warriors how can you possibly try to pin Iguodala on Jackson? The guy got hurt, missed a lot of games, and when he was in, he underperformed, not to mention the negative impact his acquisition had on Barnes, plus the money they're paying him + draft picks surrendered. I'm not disagreeing with every point you're trying to make, but some of what you're saying makes you come off as one of these fans who thinks all you need is a couple good players and then you just have to roll the basketball out on the court and they'll do fine. I'd think a fan of the Lakers would know that very recent history shows us this just isn't the case.

And you act like there's not a learning curve for coaches...sure Jackson made mistakes, pi***d me off a lot...but I've seen enough horrible with the Warriors over the past almost-40 years to know something special was being built, and as a fan was willing to be patient a little while longer. It's not every day that a coach gets almost universal buy-in from his players, but they bought what he sells and that fact should not be discounted.
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
C'mon, if you watched the Warriors how can you possibly try to pin Iguodala on Jackson? The guy got hurt, missed a lot of games, and when he was in, he underperformed, not to mention the negative impact his acquisition had on Barnes, plus the money they're paying him + draft picks surrendered. I'm not disagreeing with every point you're trying to make, but some of what you're saying makes you come off as one of these fans who thinks all you need is a couple good players and then you just have to roll the basketball out on the court and they'll do fine. I'd think a fan of the Lakers would know that very recent history shows us this just isn't the case.

And you act like there's not a learning curve for coaches...sure Jackson made mistakes, pi***d me off a lot...but I've seen enough horrible with the Warriors over the past almost-40 years to know something special was being built, and as a fan was willing to be patient a little while longer. It's not every day that a coach gets almost universal buy-in from his players, but they bought what he sells and that fact should not be discounted.

That is the reason why i am a little worried about the firing. im not sure how to players would react and if they will respect the next coach as much as they did with jackson.
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Originally posted by gold49digger:
That is the reason why i am a little worried about the firing. im not sure how to players would react and if they will respect the next coach as much as they did with jackson.

They're pros - they'll adjust. It's the nature of the business. They've a whole off-season to adjust. It's one thing when this happens during the season but summer/fall gives them enough time to get over it and get on with the new system.
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Rumor: Lakers, Chris Bosh Have Mutual Interest

The Mavs are apparently unwilling to shell out a premium for the Heat big man, as we noted earlier today, and while Amico suggests money may be a stumbling block for the purple-and-gold, it appears the two sides can see a path to a deal. Amico first wrote of L.A's interest in February.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Rumor: Lakers, Chris Bosh Have Mutual Interest

The Mavs are apparently unwilling to shell out a premium for the Heat big man, as we noted earlier today, and while Amico suggests money may be a stumbling block for the purple-and-gold, it appears the two sides can see a path to a deal. Amico first wrote of L.A's interest in February.

Me gusta. This is part of my offseason plan. Bring in El Bosh.
Bosh is an underrated player, but IMO it would greatly depend on money. He's not a supermax guy. (2nd max contract, or close to it)
Originally posted by DelCed2486:
C'mon, if you watched the Warriors how can you possibly try to pin Iguodala on Jackson? The guy got hurt, missed a lot of games, and when he was in, he underperformed, not to mention the negative impact his acquisition had on Barnes, plus the money they're paying him + draft picks surrendered. I'm not disagreeing with every point you're trying to make, but some of what you're saying makes you come off as one of these fans who thinks all you need is a couple good players and then you just have to roll the basketball out on the court and they'll do fine. I'd think a fan of the Lakers would know that very recent history shows us this just isn't the case.

And you act like there's not a learning curve for coaches...sure Jackson made mistakes, pi***d me off a lot...but I've seen enough horrible with the Warriors over the past almost-40 years to know something special was being built, and as a fan was willing to be patient a little while longer. It's not every day that a coach gets almost universal buy-in from his players, but they bought what he sells and that fact should not be discounted.

I'm saying that Iggy was misused when he was in there. He didn't underperform. He performed exactly as you'd expect him to perform as an off the ball player. He missed 19 games. It's not like he missed most of the year.

Don't know where you get the idea that I think you can just roll the ball out there with good players and win. In fact, that's my point in why I understand why Jackson was fired. Of course there's a learning curve for coaches (I know this better than most, from personal experience), but he's one of the worst schematic coaches in the NBA. He does a great job of galvanizing his team and getting that buy in, but I can certainly see why Dubs management thought they'd hit their ceiling with him. You can't just rah-rah and then roll the ball out there w/a few good players (which the Dubs absolutely have) and contend.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Anyway, back to the Lakers...

Sam Amico: #Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak & George Karl were roommates in college. But Karl tells @SiriusXMNBA he has yet to hear from LAL. Expects to, tho.

Mark Medina: Contrary to what's out there, I've been told by those in the know that Lakers haven't contacted Kevin Ollie yet. No meeting yet is planned

Lakers aren't in a hurry to hire. Coaches are still getting fired, and they're waiting for the dust to settle to survey the entire list of possibilities.
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Maybe the Lakers will hire Mike Brown. Heard he is available now. LOL

Seriously, my money is on Byron Scott as I doubt Kevin Ollie will leave UCONN.
wow, not a fan of tattoos, but that is amazing!
I could see the Lakers hiring Mark Jackson
LOL poor Kobe http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10938595/los-angeles-lakers-gm-mitch-kupchak-says-kobe-bryant-say-picking-new-coach
Originally posted by 9erReign:
LOL poor Kobe http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/10938595/los-angeles-lakers-gm-mitch-kupchak-says-kobe-bryant-say-picking-new-coach

Kobe said on Kimmel the other day he didn't pick the last 2 coaches, and didn't expect his opinion to have any influence on this one. Nice try, though. lol
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