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2013-14 General NBA Discussion Thread

  • 4ML
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Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Haha, that GIF is awesome. I don't think it' s a coincidence that LeBron started winning titles right around the same time he started being an a*****e. That's f**kin' great. That's exactly what you want out of your leader/best player.

From reading hoopshype and articles on ESPN...it seems like they're a very close group. Lebron apologized to Chalmers few minutes later during a timeout, then publicly in the post game interview...and then on Twitter. But yes, what has changed from Cleveland is - that attitude off the court didn't make him hesitant to call out his team-mates on the court. And I completely agree that you need your best player to do just that. We saw him yelling at Wade and Bosh in last year's playoffs.

The biggest lesson that I've learned in the past couple of years while coaching is how vital attitude and mentality is. For example, the other day we played a team that used to be in our league back in the day and would whoop us every single time. About 3 minutes into the game, one of their players jumped a passing lane and dunked. On our level, an in game dunk is pretty rare, and even though it was in our home gym, the crowd was buzzing. I turned to my assistant coach and said, "Byron's going to hit a 3 here". Byron is my captain...all 5'7", 130lbs of him...and is a hardass through and through. The team could have gone one of two ways at that point. They could have either been rattled by a guy throwing one down, been overwhelmed by the other team's size & athleticism, etc...or they could gotten indignant and stood up to the "bully". Byron hit the 3 (I didn't call a play for him or anything), and we ended up winning by 13. First time I think we've ever beaten that school.

Being able to get in each others faces is part of being close ON the court. It's part of that mentality. Basketball...and defense especially...is SOOOOOOO much about accountability. So much of team defense involves covering for someone else, with the trust that someone's going to cover for you. When that's not happening, that HAS to be addressed in the moment. Now, there's a right way to do it so it doesn't just deteriorate into finger pointing, but when your best player is demanding that kind of accountability, everyone has to fall in line. The culture of your team is such an underrated quality, and stuff like what LeBron did last night reinforces it. I think it's incredibly lame that he has to publicly apologize to Chalmers to pacify the general public. If there's any beef because of something like that that happens in the heat of the moment, it's no one else's business.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Dec 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM ]
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

Yep. I was happy when the Warriors took Barnes over him. Now, I wish they had taken Drummond.
  • 4ML
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Haha, that GIF is awesome. I don't think it' s a coincidence that LeBron started winning titles right around the same time he started being an a*****e. That's f**kin' great. That's exactly what you want out of your leader/best player.

From reading hoopshype and articles on ESPN...it seems like they're a very close group. Lebron apologized to Chalmers few minutes later during a timeout, then publicly in the post game interview...and then on Twitter. But yes, what has changed from Cleveland is - that attitude off the court didn't make him hesitant to call out his team-mates on the court. And I completely agree that you need your best player to do just that. We saw him yelling at Wade and Bosh in last year's playoffs.

The biggest lesson that I've learned in the past couple of years while coaching is how vital attitude and mentality is. For example, the other day we played a team that used to be in our league back in the day and would whoop us every single time. About 3 minutes into the game, one of their players jumped a passing lane and dunked. On our level, an in game dunk is pretty rare, and even though it was in our home gym, the crowd was buzzing. I turned to my assistant coach and said, "Byron's going to hit a 3 here". Byron is my captain...all 5'7", 130lbs of him...and is a hardass through and through. The team could have gone one of two ways at that point. They could have either been rattled by a guy throwing one down, been overwhelmed by the other team's size & athleticism, etc...or they could gotten indignant and stood up to the "bully". Byron hit the 3 (I didn't call a play for him or anything), and we ended up winning by 13. First time I think we've ever beaten that school.

Being able to get in each others faces is part of being close ON the court. It's part of that mentality. Basketball...and defense especially...is SOOOOOOO much about accountability. So much of team defense involves covering for someone else, with the trust that someone's going to cover for you. When that's not happening, that HAS to be addressed in the moment. Now, there's a right way to do it so it doesn't just deteriorate into finger pointing, but when your best player is demanding that kind of accountability, everyone has to fall in line. The culture of your team is such an underrated quality, and stuff like what LeBron did last night reinforces it. I think it's incredibly lame that he has to publicly apologize to Chalmers to pacify the general public. If there's any beef because of something like that that happens in the heat of the moment, it's no one else's business.

Very well said. Miami was down 15 when that happened...and after that they closed the gap to 5. You're on point - and It's important for the leader to show that the game means something. If the leader is yelling and screaming when someone f**ks up - then others will to fall in line as you said or at the very least know that he really wants to win.

As for the apology...I think his in-game apology was genuine. But, yea - he didn't need to apologize publicly for it afterwards.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

Yep. I was happy when the Warriors took Barnes over him. Now, I wish they had taken Drummond.

That's more of a commentary on Drummond's studliness than a knock on Barnes though. Barnes is developing into a very good player. At least you didn't draft Syracuse's 6th man with the 4th overall pick. lol
Originally posted by 4ML:
Very well said. Miami was down 15 when that happened...and after that they closed the gap to 5. You're on point - and It's important for the leader to show that the game means something. If the leader is yelling and screaming when someone f**ks up - then others will to fall in line as you said or at the very least know that he really wants to win.

As for the apology...I think his in-game apology was genuine. But, yea - he didn't need to apologize publicly for it afterwards.

Ya...no problem with the in game apology. That's between them.
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

Yep. I was happy when the Warriors took Barnes over him. Now, I wish they had taken Drummond.

Yea...I'm sure pretty much everyone feels that way except NO (who took Anthony Davis) and Portland (Damien Lillard). Washington maybe happy with Beal as well.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

Yep. I was happy when the Warriors took Barnes over him. Now, I wish they had taken Drummond.

That's more of a commentary on Drummond's studliness than a knock on Barnes though. Barnes is developing into a very good player. At least you didn't draft Syracuse's 6th man with the 4th overall pick. lol

Agreed. Harrison needs to become much more consistent on both ends of the court but I do like him as a player. But, Drummond has really developed much faster than I ever dreamed he would. I guess there are a lot of GMs kicking themselves right now.
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

Yep. I was happy when the Warriors took Barnes over him. Now, I wish they had taken Drummond.

That's more of a commentary on Drummond's studliness than a knock on Barnes though. Barnes is developing into a very good player. At least you didn't draft Syracuse's 6th man with the 4th overall pick. lol

This is why I'll be shocked if Lebron returns to Cleveland. That FO is completely clueless. Dion Waiters and Anthony Bennett in the last two drafts.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Agreed. Harrison needs to become much more consistent on both ends of the court but I do like him as a player. But, Drummond has really developed much faster than I ever dreamed he would. I guess there are a lot of GMs kicking themselves right now.

I get that the draft is an inexact science, but Drummond falling to #9 is one of the most baffling moments in recent history to me. I honestly don't think he's developed all that much, really. All he is is a massive guy who's much more agile than anyone that size should be, who sets good screens and hustles. He still doesn't have much in the way of skill. This is what he was all along.
Originally posted by 4ML:
Originally posted by crabman82:
pistons starting to play good ball right now. 13-14, wish we woulda had that game vs portland a few days back.

I'm a fan of Drummond. That guy is gonna be a superstar if he stays focused.

yeah he just needs to get that FT% up. i realize he'll never hit 75% but as we get better and play in more meaningful games that are super close, his FT's are going to become more important. for all of his warts at the charity stripe ben wallace usually hit the ones when we really needed them.
Kobe out 6 weeks with a knee injury. Such a foolish extension.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Kobe out 6 weeks with a knee injury. Such a foolish extension.

He should retire
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Kobe out 6 weeks with a knee injury. Such a foolish extension.

Improve that draft pick...
Originally posted by GameOver:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Kobe out 6 weeks with a knee injury. Such a foolish extension.

Improve that draft pick...

I thought you didnt have any draft picks in this upcoming draft?