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Originally posted by SofaKing:
I'm sure they'd love to have Klay, but that's probably a dealbreaker if I'm Bob Myers. Klay is one of the best 2-way players in the game, and getting better. The goal should be to form a Big 3 of Curry-Klay-Love. Any proposed deal that doesn't make that happen should not be considered IMO.
It wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I've give up Klay for KLove if he agrees to sign an extension here.
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
I'm sure they'd love to have Klay, but that's probably a dealbreaker if I'm Bob Myers. Klay is one of the best 2-way players in the game, and getting better. The goal should be to form a Big 3 of Curry-Klay-Love. Any proposed deal that doesn't make that happen should not be considered IMO.
It wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me. I've give up Klay for KLove if he agrees to sign an extension here.

Obviously you mean Klay and Lee because the salaries would have to match. I just cant move Klay in a deal like that. His improvement on defense was huge this past year in my opinion and because of that alone I would keep him.
Of course Lee would have to be included. We're not going to keep Love and Lee on the same roster.

Klay may be a solid two way SG. But 25 year old elite PF's don't come around often. I like Klay but there is no way I wouldn't move him to acquire KLove if he agreed to sign an extension.
it would not make complete financial sense to sign an extension to his current contract. The rules favor his letting it expire next summer and starting with a new deal. The same goes with any team Love would be traded to. This unquestionably limits his trade value because teams will be wary of trading for a player on the last year of his contract.
Originally posted by Hopper:
Of course Lee would have to be included. We're not going to keep Love and Lee on the same roster.

Klay may be a solid two way SG. But 25 year old elite PF's don't come around often. I like Klay but there is no way I wouldn't move him to acquire KLove if he agreed to sign an extension.

LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
[ Edited by kronik on May 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
RAPM rates Kevin Love's defense to be on par with Blake Griffin (1.7) and Pau Gasol (1.4). Not world-beating by any stretch (especially for a big), but he's well into the positive range (1.3), while David Lee is at .1. Moreover, Synergy rates Kevin Love as an excellent post defender. He only gives up .72 points per possession in post-up situations on 39% shooting, which is top tier. Beyond that, he only commits shooting fouls on 2.1% of those post possessions, and forces turnovers 12.5% of the time.In comparison, David Lee surrenders .88 PPP in post-ups on 42% shooting, commits a shooting foul on 10% of those possessions, and only forces turnovers 7.2% of the time.For reference: Dwight Howard (.74 PPP), Tim Duncan (.80), Marc Gasol (.79).Kevin Love obviously doesn't have the overall, rotational presence that those three do, but he's far from the disaster that David Lee is, and can more than hold his own during the most frequent types of defensive possessions a power forward faces.
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Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
RAPM rates Kevin Love's defense to be on par with Blake Griffin (1.7) and Pau Gasol (1.4). Not world-beating by any stretch (especially for a big), but he's well into the positive range (1.3), while David Lee is at .1. Moreover, Synergy rates Kevin Love as an excellent post defender. He only gives up .72 points per possession in post-up situations on 39% shooting, which is top tier. Beyond that, he only commits shooting fouls on 2.1% of those post possessions, and forces turnovers 12.5% of the time.In comparison, David Lee surrenders .88 PPP in post-ups on 42% shooting, commits a shooting foul on 10% of those possessions, and only forces turnovers 7.2% of the time.For reference: Dwight Howard (.74 PPP), Tim Duncan (.80), Marc Gasol (.79).Kevin Love obviously doesn't have the overall, rotational presence that those three do, but he's far from the disaster that David Lee is, and can more than hold his own during the most frequent types of defensive possessions a power forward faces.

Don't care what the "stats" say. Does anyone in the NBA fear him while driving into the lane? He can't even jump over his own basketball card laying flat on the ground. Man, it's been decades since the W's had an athletic power forward. But our organization seems to believe we should get less athletic at that position every chance we get.
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
RAPM rates Kevin Love's defense to be on par with Blake Griffin (1.7) and Pau Gasol (1.4). Not world-beating by any stretch (especially for a big), but he's well into the positive range (1.3), while David Lee is at .1. Moreover, Synergy rates Kevin Love as an excellent post defender. He only gives up .72 points per possession in post-up situations on 39% shooting, which is top tier. Beyond that, he only commits shooting fouls on 2.1% of those post possessions, and forces turnovers 12.5% of the time.In comparison, David Lee surrenders .88 PPP in post-ups on 42% shooting, commits a shooting foul on 10% of those possessions, and only forces turnovers 7.2% of the time.For reference: Dwight Howard (.74 PPP), Tim Duncan (.80), Marc Gasol (.79).Kevin Love obviously doesn't have the overall, rotational presence that those three do, but he's far from the disaster that David Lee is, and can more than hold his own during the most frequent types of defensive possessions a power forward faces.

Don't care what the "stats" say. Does anyone in the NBA fear him while driving into the lane? He can't even jump over his own basketball card laying flat on the ground. Man, it's been decades since the W's had an athletic power forward. But our organization seems to believe we should get less athletic at that position every chance we get.
check his game stats against the other top PFs in the game. He usually s**ts on them more than they get over. Dude is a beast
[ Edited by monsterzero789 on May 20, 2014 at 4:33 PM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
RAPM rates Kevin Love's defense to be on par with Blake Griffin (1.7) and Pau Gasol (1.4). Not world-beating by any stretch (especially for a big), but he's well into the positive range (1.3), while David Lee is at .1. Moreover, Synergy rates Kevin Love as an excellent post defender. He only gives up .72 points per possession in post-up situations on 39% shooting, which is top tier. Beyond that, he only commits shooting fouls on 2.1% of those post possessions, and forces turnovers 12.5% of the time.In comparison, David Lee surrenders .88 PPP in post-ups on 42% shooting, commits a shooting foul on 10% of those possessions, and only forces turnovers 7.2% of the time.For reference: Dwight Howard (.74 PPP), Tim Duncan (.80), Marc Gasol (.79).Kevin Love obviously doesn't have the overall, rotational presence that those three do, but he's far from the disaster that David Lee is, and can more than hold his own during the most frequent types of defensive possessions a power forward faces.

Don't care what the "stats" say. Does anyone in the NBA fear him while driving into the lane? He can't even jump over his own basketball card laying flat on the ground. Man, it's been decades since the W's had an athletic power forward. But our organization seems to believe we should get less athletic at that position every chance we get.

So basically you have nothing when the analytics prove your argument wrong.

BTW it hasn't been decades since the warriors had an athletic PF. They drafted Anthony Randolph&Brandan Wright with lottery picks who both had plenty of athleticism. Neither were as skilled as Love or had his high basketball IQ.
[ Edited by Hopper on May 20, 2014 at 4:18 PM ]
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by kronik:
LOL elite my ass. A PF that can't defend is not elite. Unlike football, your defensive game is %50 of your overall game. I guess we will see Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin dunking on us next year and beyond.
RAPM rates Kevin Love's defense to be on par with Blake Griffin (1.7) and Pau Gasol (1.4). Not world-beating by any stretch (especially for a big), but he's well into the positive range (1.3), while David Lee is at .1. Moreover, Synergy rates Kevin Love as an excellent post defender. He only gives up .72 points per possession in post-up situations on 39% shooting, which is top tier. Beyond that, he only commits shooting fouls on 2.1% of those post possessions, and forces turnovers 12.5% of the time.In comparison, David Lee surrenders .88 PPP in post-ups on 42% shooting, commits a shooting foul on 10% of those possessions, and only forces turnovers 7.2% of the time.For reference: Dwight Howard (.74 PPP), Tim Duncan (.80), Marc Gasol (.79).Kevin Love obviously doesn't have the overall, rotational presence that those three do, but he's far from the disaster that David Lee is, and can more than hold his own during the most frequent types of defensive possessions a power forward faces.

Don't care what the "stats" say. Does anyone in the NBA fear him while driving into the lane? He can't even jump over his own basketball card laying flat on the ground. Man, it's been decades since the W's had an athletic power forward. But our organization seems to believe we should get less athletic at that position every chance we get.

So basically you have nothing when the analytics prove your argument wrong.

BTW it hasn't been decades since the warriors had an athletic PF. They drafted Anthony Randolph&Brandan Wright with lottery picks who both had plenty of athleticism. Neither were as skilled as Love or had his high basketball IQ.

No one is debating that Love is better than David Lee. However, you seem to to be in the minority when it comes to being willing to include Klay in a deal for Love. I seriously doubt the Warriors would make that move.
I really don't want to see Klay go
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
I really don't want to see Klay go
Me neither. But if given the choice between having Kevin Love or Klay Thompson, it's really a no brainer. Especially when you factor in consistency and Love is a consistent 20-12 threat.
Originally posted by SFrush:
Originally posted by ChipDouglas510:
I really don't want to see Klay go
Me neither. But if given the choice between having Kevin Love or Klay Thompson, it's really a no brainer. Especially when you factor in consistency and Love is a consistent 20-12 threat.


Thompson still does have those off nights, sometimes in stretches, but he's still young and expanding his game far beyond just being a jump shooter. Plus, and I think it's a BIG 'plus', he's on his way to becoming an elite, All-NBA type defender. To me that takes far out of the realm of "no brainer".
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