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2013 NBA Finals thread: San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

2013 NBA Finals thread: San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Funny...that's what I wanted to ask you...but you only posted what he did in the last 3.

Which part of a game is generally referred to as money time? Pretty sure it's the final minutes of any game, regardless of any sport. Kind of like Joe Montana with the ball in his hands on the final drive of a game, amirite?

LBJ did a great job putting the Heat back in the lead in the fourth, then he did his best to literally give the game away in the final three minutes. His legacy would have been forever stained if Ray doesn't hit that shot. Not sure what is so hard to admit about that. He got a massive mulligan and lives to fight another day, though.

Ray totally saved the day. But Lebron definitely had a legendary run in the 4th quarters that made this a great game. Spurs helped a lot and could be argued they lost it rather than the Heat won it.

Loved the Duncan bunny swatted by Lebron in the final minute in 4th
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Ray totally saved the day. But Lebron definitely had a legendary run in the 4th quarters that made this a great game. Spurs helped a lot and could be argued they lost it rather than the Heat won it.

Loved the Duncan bunny swatted by Lebron in the final minute in 4th

With all our talk about LeBron, this dude is getting a major pass. Totally disappeared.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Ray totally saved the day. But Lebron definitely had a legendary run in the 4th quarters that made this a great game. Spurs helped a lot and could be argued they lost it rather than the Heat won it.

Loved the Duncan bunny swatted by Lebron in the final minute in 4th

With all our talk about LeBron, this dude is getting a major pass. Totally disappeared.

Yeah, he and Parker looked fatigued on those time outs.

I swore he was gonna put up 45 at one point.
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Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Funny...that's what I wanted to ask you...but you only posted what he did in the last 3.

Which part of a game is generally referred to as money time? Pretty sure it's the final minutes of any game, regardless of any sport. Kind of like Joe Montana with the ball in his hands on the final drive of a game, amirite?

LBJ did a great job putting the Heat back in the lead in the fourth, then he did his best to literally give the game away in the final three minutes. His legacy would have been forever stained if Ray doesn't hit that shot. Not sure what is so hard to admit about that. He got a massive mulligan and lives to fight another day, though.

His legacy is only on the line for ppl who don't like him or don't understand the concept of team sports. Legacy is not decided at the age of 28...it will be defined at the end of his career.

...and no, money time has no specific definition. Miami needed to make a comeback, and Lebron orchestrated that. At some point, other players have to contribute. This isn't tennis, this is a team sport. Wade was brought in the game and Miami ran two plays back to back just for Wade. Lebron also passed him the ball and he passed up an open shot. Bosh did the same...passed up an open look. The charge he had on Parker was a 50-50 call at best and the pass which Leonard stole was a bad pass from Wade as well. Yes, Lebron missed a shot and shot an air-ball...but no one on Miami was willing to take a shot.

Lebron guard Parker for majority of the game and put the team on his shoulders and brought them back. Ray Allen hit a great clutch shot. But, game ball still goes to Lebron. Without him, Ray Allen doesn't even get a chance to hit a game tying 3.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kobe won game 7 vs Celtics because artest locked down Paul Pierce down the stretch. Kobe shot 6 of 24. He did pull down 15 RB. Nobody accused him of choking. The Lakers won. Arrest locked down Pierce and hit clutch shots.

Kobe also was bailed out twice during those games on his airballs in the last seconds. Once by Gasol and the other catch and putback by Artest
Duncan was hit directly in the face on that block
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
The vast majority of players who play around Lebron get better. Wade actually had a great season from an efficiency standpoint. Same with Bosh. They've also gone to 3 straight finals so there really isn't any arguing with how Spoelstra chooses to deploy them.

If those guys can't figure out how to play with the best player in the league during the playoffs, that's more of an indictment on their game, not his.

It's not a matter of "figuring it out"...it's the difference between playing against a team that runs a player-centric system once in the regular season, and in a best out of 7 series. Chris Paul is similar, although a lesser talent, and that's why his teams struggle in the playoffs too. Perhaps you could argue that this is Spoelstra's fault, but neither Wade nor Bosh are frequently put in positions to succeed. There's a reason that Miami's best lineup in this series has been LeBron/Chalmers/Miller/Andersen/Allen. All spot up shooters and one big man who gets his buckets off of drive & dish or dribble penetration.

Miami has outscored the Spurs with LeBron on the court in just two of the six games in this series. The best player in the world's job is to help his team outscore their opponent while he's on the floor. He hasn't been doing that.

Bosh has been a jump shooter since he came to the Heat. A lot of that has to do with the fact that they play such small lineups that he's always being guarded by a guy that's too big for him to shoot over in the post. Like I said earlier, Wade has had great seasons with James alongside of him and they've gone to 3 straight finals...he's just played terribly in these playoffs (for the most part). That's not Lebron's fault. How do you go from a 21.2 ppg at 52% shooting in the regular season to what he did in the first 3 rounds? Did Lebron all of a sudden put a hex on him? You could say that in the playoffs the offense has been flowing more through Lebron but I'd say that is because Wade has generally been playing poorly and without confidence or rhythm. That's also the reason why the best Heat lineup is the one with him on the bench. You could also say this has to do with the way the Spurs are playing the Heat. But again that's not an indictment on James.

I'm not really sure what you're implying in that last sentence (especially with how in the previous paragraph you mentioned their best lineup included James), but I don't think any +/- or advanced metric is going to make me believe they're better with James off the court.
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Lol wut. The 3 that he hit at the end of regulation was made possible because he bricked his attempt so hard off the glass that it literally ricocheted without hitting the rim and bounced off the Spurs who had inside position on that play.

His final 3 minutes of regulation went like this:

Missed jumper.
Turnover off a charge.
Turnover stolen by Leonard.
Airball/turnover stolen by Manu.
Missed 3 pointer that doesn't draw iron.
Made 3.
Missed 3 pointer for the tie.

He was a total disaster at money time until Ray hit that shot.
the shot hit the rim and bounced straight up
I think we can all agree that Spoelstra out-coached Popovich
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kobe won game 7 vs Celtics because artest locked down Paul Pierce down the stretch. Kobe shot 6 of 24. He did pull down 15 RB. Nobody accused him of choking. The Lakers won. Arrest locked down Pierce and hit clutch shots.

Kobe also was bailed out twice during those games on his airballs in the last seconds. Once by Gasol and the other catch and putback by Artest

Where in the world do you guys get this from? I have no idea what Gasol airball you're referring to, and the Artest putback was off of an inbound play with 3.5 seconds left, which is a play where it's extremely tough to get a shot up. No one would be on LeBron's ass for badly missing a desperation 3 while trying to beat the buzzer.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Whatever, doesn't change my point. It was Gasol's rebound and Artest hitting the clutch 3. Sorry was watching that game pretty wasted from what I remember. Kobe still shot 6-24 in game 7, at home, in the NBA finals.

Artest's "clutch 3" put them up by 5 or 6. Kobe generated several for them down the stretch, including a post entry pass that was right on the money to Gasol. And couldn't care less about FG%. Heck, LeBron's shooting 43% against San Antonio.

Right, 25% shooting doesn't matter in G7 of the finals. Point is, he was totally bailed out by lesser players in that game.
Originally posted by marshniners24:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
You guys do realize that the fourth quarter is a full 12 minutes, right?

No just 7 minutes dude

or the last 3
Wade is getting a lot of open looks and also shoots his classic fadeaways in and around the free throw line. He just isn't hitting them and isn't as explosive around the rim consistently.

His game revolves around explosiveness. And IMO that is like a game that revolves around speed. Age hits those strengths real quickly.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Sims84:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kobe won game 7 vs Celtics because artest locked down Paul Pierce down the stretch. Kobe shot 6 of 24. He did pull down 15 RB. Nobody accused him of choking. The Lakers won. Arrest locked down Pierce and hit clutch shots.

Kobe also was bailed out twice during those games on his airballs in the last seconds. Once by Gasol and the other catch and putback by Artest

Where in the world do you guys get this from? I have no idea what Gasol airball you're referring to, and the Artest putback was off of an inbound play with 3.5 seconds left, which is a play where it's extremely tough to get a shot up. No one would be on LeBron's ass for badly missing a desperation 3 while trying to beat the buzzer.

Kobe airballed the 3 and Gasol bailed him out with the putback.... Kobe also had one of his WORST shooting games, in one of the BIGGEST games of his life yet nobody talks about that....
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Ray totally saved the day. But Lebron definitely had a legendary run in the 4th quarters that made this a great game. Spurs helped a lot and could be argued they lost it rather than the Heat won it.

Loved the Duncan bunny swatted by Lebron in the final minute in 4th

With all our talk about LeBron, this dude is getting a major pass. Totally disappeared.

precisely! Dude played the game of his life in the first half and came away with 5 points in the next 29 minutes...