Originally posted by sacniner:
You were right, at the time. Wade was in his prime, Bosh was a pereniall all-star. But, can things change over time? The last two years have been different. You obviously know your b-ball, and you're a coach. So, you can probably come with some stats and other stuff that will go over my head because you know more than me. But, I think most analyst and experts would admit that this Miami team has changed the last two years. Bosh has disappointed. Sure, some of it is cause of playing with Wade and Bron. But zero ponts yesterday? Continually struggling on the boards? That isnt' all system. He needs to shoulder a lot of that responsibility. And, Wade has been hurt. He is still really good, but he is not the Wade that won that first ring. You can't disagree with that.
With all that said, I think you should move on from that intial thinking. He was immature and was mentally soft when he signed with the Heat. The last two years have been totally different. Bosh is not a pereniall all-star now, no matter how you try and justify it. And Wade is not the guy who won a ring by himself. Things change. They have the last two years in Miami which has resulted in two rings and Bron cementing his legacy as an all-time great. And yes, those are his rings not Wade's. I guess to criticize Lebron now, one has to go back three years. Not much bad we can say about him now.
If I ever "talk over" anyone's head, it's not intentional and I'd like you to point it out to me. Basketball is an amazing game and I certainly don't have the market cornered on knowledge of it. That said, I do spend a lot more time on it than others do, and all I'm trying to do is communicate my perspective in an easily digestable way. You're a smart dude...it's never my intention to be all like, "I'm a coach and you're not, so I'm gonna say a bunch of complicated s**t to confuse you and therefore 'win' the conversation."
I think I found a good way to explain my "LeBron diminishes players who aren't shooters/drive & dish guys" perspective in a clearer, and more specific way, which will hopefully make my point more understandable, even if you don't agree. IMO, NBA offense has two major elements:
1) Dribble Penetration
2) Player Movement (ball movement comes from player movement)
I'm of the opinion that having LeBron on your team greatly diminishes #2, because he's a considerably less effective player off of the ball. When you watch Miami play, you don't see guys moving around very much at all. Especially compared to a team like San Antonio, who are on the opposite end of the spectrum and use a ton of player/ball movement. In Miami, guys spot up, or stand in "the bird cage" (as they were calling it with Chris Andersen) on the sideline, where LeBron can dump it off to the big guy for a dunk if that's available. The player/ball movement element is important, because it creates multiple opportunities for multiple players to score, because it gives multiple chances for the defense to make a mistake, whereas a spot up shooter who's just standing there doesn't.
This "just kinda stand there" element is what I believe hinders Wade & Bosh. It's not a problem for guys like Battier, Allen, Miller, etc. because that's pretty much the entirety of what they can do on the offensive end. But with Wade & Bosh, they're not put in a position to do what they do best, except for the handful of times where they are thrown a bone and the play runs through them. IMO, this is incorrectly interpreted as their abilities waning when it's actually a function of their roles within this style of play.
Miami's back-to-back champs, but IMO that's due to a significant talent advantage over the rest of the league. And that's my current thinking, not an application of my 2010 POV to today.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Jun 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM ]