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2013 NBA Finals thread: San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

2013 NBA Finals thread: San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Yes, the standard being applied to Lebron James is ridiculous. He's 28...he's in his prime, his legacy is not on the line.

Anyway, he did make couple of mistakes at crucial time, but he made tons of plays at the crucial time too. I'd rate that 4th quarter performance very high for Lebron. As other reporters who were at the game mentioned, Lebron was completely gassed when the clock hit 6 minutes in the 4th quarter. He hadn't taken a break in the 2nd half and was guarding Parker for most of the game and also great on weak-side defensive help.

And, it seems like no one is even talkin' about defense. He was on Parker for major part of the game and Parker hit one jump-shot on him (for the entire game)...that incredible 3 pt shot late in the game that was defended as well as it could have been.

...also huge credit to Chris Bosh. Those two blocks on Parker and Green, and the rebound and pass to Ray Allen. What a sick block on Green!

According to the media, and the haters, Lebron's legacy is alwasy on the line. People forget his playoff run last year. What he did in the elimination game in Boston last year should do a lot for his legacy, but I guess it doesn't.

Lebron did make some key mistakes, but he was the sole reason the Heat were even back in the game. That block on Duncan was amazing. But, if the Heat lose game 7 nothing he did will matter. Its not fair, but that's how it is.

Also, his numbers in elimination games are crazy good.... especially for a choke artist.

Yeup...lose game 7 and this means nothing. It is what it is.

In 12 career playoff elimination games, LeBron James is averaging 31.5 PPG, still the highest average in NBA history.


It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.
Originally posted by Joecool:
It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.

FYI, Jordan played in 13 elimination games and LBJ's numbers are better in every category.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.

FYI, Jordan played in 13 elimination games and LBJ's numbers are better in every category.

Ya, that was a pretty weak argument.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Yes, the standard being applied to Lebron James is ridiculous. He's 28...he's in his prime, his legacy is not on the line.

Anyway, he did make couple of mistakes at crucial time, but he made tons of plays at the crucial time too. I'd rate that 4th quarter performance very high for Lebron. As other reporters who were at the game mentioned, Lebron was completely gassed when the clock hit 6 minutes in the 4th quarter. He hadn't taken a break in the 2nd half and was guarding Parker for most of the game and also great on weak-side defensive help.

And, it seems like no one is even talkin' about defense. He was on Parker for major part of the game and Parker hit one jump-shot on him (for the entire game)...that incredible 3 pt shot late in the game that was defended as well as it could have been.

...also huge credit to Chris Bosh. Those two blocks on Parker and Green, and the rebound and pass to Ray Allen. What a sick block on Green!

According to the media, and the haters, Lebron's legacy is alwasy on the line. People forget his playoff run last year. What he did in the elimination game in Boston last year should do a lot for his legacy, but I guess it doesn't.

Lebron did make some key mistakes, but he was the sole reason the Heat were even back in the game. That block on Duncan was amazing. But, if the Heat lose game 7 nothing he did will matter. Its not fair, but that's how it is.

Also, his numbers in elimination games are crazy good.... especially for a choke artist.

Yeup...lose game 7 and this means nothing. It is what it is.

In 12 career playoff elimination games, LeBron James is averaging 31.5 PPG, still the highest average in NBA history.


It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.

Yea, Jordan won the chip every season.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.

FYI, Jordan played in 13 elimination games and LBJ's numbers are better in every category.

That was a different time and different league. Jordan won his championships without other superstars on the team. Can't do that now.
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by Joecool:
It's the highest because guys like Jordan didn't put themselves in an elimination game situation.

FYI, Jordan played in 13 elimination games and LBJ's numbers are better in every category.

You talking about games where if CHI loses, then they are out or games where if the other team loses, then the opponent is out?
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Originally posted by Joecool:
You talking about games where if CHI loses, then they are out or games where if the other team loses, then the opponent is out?

Elmination games. Where if CHI loses they are out. In the playoffs. Sorry guys, Jordan is human. He is the best ever, but people think he walked on water.
For the series, the Heat have scored 131.7 points per 100 possessions when James is on the floor without Wade, and just 100.8 when the two have shared the floor, per NBA.com. The Heat are minus-12 for the series, but the James–Mike Miller–Ray Allen super-shooting trio is a crazy plus-50 in just 68 minutes, per NBA.com. The James-Miller-Chalmers trio is plus-43 in just 80 minutes, and the combination of those four players is a stunning plus-49 in just 29 total minutes together, per NBA.com.
Originally posted by Baldie:
That was a different time and different league. Jordan won his championships without other superstars on the team. Can't do that now.

Have you ever heard of a guy name Pippen? come on man. Jordan was the greatest, but he had some help.

As time goes on, people get more and more irrational with Jordan. I'm not arguing about his greatness, but in some people's minds no matter what someone else does they won't be better than Jordan
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by Baldie:
That was a different time and different league. Jordan won his championships without other superstars on the team. Can't do that now.

Have you ever heard of a guy name Pippen? come on man. Jordan was the greatest, but he had some help.

As time goes on, people get more and more irrational with Jordan. I'm not arguing about his greatness, but in some people's minds no matter what someone else does they won't be better than Jordan

This. Revisionist history at it's best. Pippen led the Bulls to 55 win season and took them to game 7 of the 2nd round playoffs...all without Jordan and the same team. Jordan was fukin' great...but ppl forget how good his supporting cast was.
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Originally posted by GameOver:
For the series, the Heat have scored 131.7 points per 100 possessions when James is on the floor without Wade, and just 100.8 when the two have shared the floor, per NBA.com. The Heat are minus-12 for the series, but the James–Mike Miller–Ray Allen super-shooting trio is a crazy plus-50 in just 68 minutes, per NBA.com. The James-Miller-Chalmers trio is plus-43 in just 80 minutes, and the combination of those four players is a stunning plus-49 in just 29 total minutes together, per NBA.com.

Not surprised at all. Wade and Bosh not only have missed bunch of wide open shots...they also don't take many of the wide open shots Lebron and sometimes Chalmers have created for them. When Ray Allen, Mike Miller are in the game - they pull up if they have a slight opening.

Even when Heat are running plays specifically for Wade and Bosh, they are not doing much with it. Lebron is also guilty of this, but he is drawing the whole defense with him. These guys are not doing anything to help themselves or their team-mates.

I've been saying this...I want more of Ray Allen, Miller, and Battier along with Lebron.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by GameOver:
For the series, the Heat have scored 131.7 points per 100 possessions when James is on the floor without Wade, and just 100.8 when the two have shared the floor, per NBA.com. The Heat are minus-12 for the series, but the James–Mike Miller–Ray Allen super-shooting trio is a crazy plus-50 in just 68 minutes, per NBA.com. The James-Miller-Chalmers trio is plus-43 in just 80 minutes, and the combination of those four players is a stunning plus-49 in just 29 total minutes together, per NBA.com.

Not surprised at all. Wade and Bosh not only have missed bunch of wide open shots...they also don't take many of the wide open shots Lebron and sometimes Chalmers have created for them. When Ray Allen, Mike Miller are in the game - they pull up if they have a slight opening.

Even when Heat are running plays specifically for Wade and Bosh, they are not doing much with it. Lebron is also guilty of this, but he is drawing the whole defense with him. These guys are not doing anything to help themselves or their team-mates.

I've been saying this...I want more of Ray Allen, Miller, and Battier along with Lebron.

But, but, but the Heat were out scored with Lebron on the floor 4/6 games.
if only the heat were in the bay areaaa,, our crowd would boooost them up all day eveeryday
Damn Spurs should of had it last night but they missed their free throws and didn't call a timeout at the end. Let Ginobli drive to a no call instead of calling a play. All their fault because they should of expected the Heat to push it like they did.