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OFFICIAL Miami Heat vs. Indiana Pacers ECF Series Thread

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
They've turned him into a spot up shooter and nothing more. I think I can count the amount of low post or high post touches he's gotten this series on two hands.

It worked for them in game 5. Him and Haslem has sick production. Lets be honest Bosh is C in a PF body and he can't match up with hibbert/west so you would be wasting possessions trying to post him up.
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Hibbert never gets called for a foul simply based on his reputation for always going straight up.

That shoulda been a no call.

I don't agree. I think Hibbert's arms were angled towards James'. That's been called a foul forever in this league but Hibbert gets the benefit based on rep.

Not to the degree that they were angled down, which wasn't much. Just like with most calls, there's a bit of slack that's given. IMO that was a no call, and if anything, it was an offensive foul because LeBron initiated the contact.

I agree with this completely. Hibbert did not foul Lebron on that play in my opinion

I disagree, but it doesn't matter. Fouls even out in a series and that foul didn't change the outcome of the game. Miami has to do a better of attacking the paint even when Hibbert is in there. When they attacked the rim in the 4th quarter, they were gettin' wide open looks from the 3.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Referees didnt change the outcome of this game. Indiana clearly outplayed the Heat tonight. Chris Bosh has been invisible and LeBron is just getting no help.

I fully expect the Heat to win game 7 but they better get a full team effort and not a 1 man show.

They've turned him into a spot up shooter and nothing more. I think I can count the amount of low post or high post touches he's gotten this series on two hands.

But, this has been true this whole season.

I'll take your word for it, because you watch them more than I do. But his 3PTA per game have doubled since the regular season, and he's more than just a spot up shooter, IMO.

I'd be very surprised if Miami lost on Monday, but Miami's playing really lifeless basketball right now. It's very strange considering the stakes.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
They've turned him into a spot up shooter and nothing more. I think I can count the amount of low post or high post touches he's gotten this series on two hands.

It worked for them in game 5. Him and Haslem has sick production. Lets be honest Bosh is C in a PF body and he can't match up with hibbert/west so you would be wasting possessions trying to post him up.

You put Bosh in the high post and have him face up on either guy. He has a quickness advantage over both, and an excellent mid range jumper if they sag off. He was a 24ppg player in the league doing this not very long ago, and he's only 29. He's a superb offensive player that isn't being used properly, IMO.
Other than a very inspired 3rd quarter by LeBron in Game 5, Miami's looked dead for the majority of the last 2 games. I almost wonder if there's something going on in the locker room.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
You put Bosh in the high post and have him face up on either guy. He has a quickness advantage over both, and an excellent mid range jumper if they sag off. He was a 24ppg player in the league doing this not very long ago, and he's only 29. He's a superb offensive player that isn't being used properly, IMO.

I'm not saying he's bad. I think honestly he is afraid of contact with the pacers big and has taken himself out.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Other than a very inspired 3rd quarter by LeBron in Game 5, Miami's looked dead for the majority of the last 2 games. I almost wonder if there's something going on in the locker room.

There's just not enough help for Lebron, scheme or no scheme. Bosh needs to be used in the post against West, IMO. West won't block his shot.
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'll take your word for it, because you watch them more than I do. But his 3PTA per game have doubled since the regular season, and he's more than just a spot up shooter, IMO.

I'd be very surprised if Miami lost on Monday, but Miami's playing really lifeless basketball right now. It's very strange considering the stakes.

Can't find a another chart, but this is only first 40 days of the 2012 season.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
There's just not enough help for Lebron, scheme or no scheme. Bosh needs to be used in the post against West, IMO. West won't block his shot.

He doesnt have to. He can easily out muscle him.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Other than a very inspired 3rd quarter by LeBron in Game 5, Miami's looked dead for the majority of the last 2 games. I almost wonder if there's something going on in the locker room.

There's just not enough help for Lebron, scheme or no scheme. Bosh needs to be used in the post against West, IMO. West won't block his shot.

Miami's running a lot of 5-out, 0-in stuff (everyone behind the line), or 4-out, 1-in where the big is lurking in the short corner.

I strongly disagree that there's not enough help for LeBron. Bosh is mostly being used as a spot up shooter, and they're running very little for Wade, who's getting LeBron's leftovers. These guys didn't suddenly get old. IMO, it's partly misuse by the coaching staff, partly a lack of aggression from Wade/Bosh, partly a function of playing next to LeBron.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
There's just not enough help for Lebron, scheme or no scheme. Bosh needs to be used in the post against West, IMO. West won't block his shot.

He doesnt have to. He can easily out muscle him.

Not on a face up.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Can't find a another chart, but this is only first 40 days of the 2012 season.


I have access to these stats. I'll post them for the regular season and then this series. Give me a few minutes.
4ML...Looks like it would take me more time to find the stats for this series than I'd care to spend, but you're definitely right about the regular season. Bosh finished the year with 33.3.% of his overall possessions being spot up shots, which is a significant increase from his previous seasons.
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Just read that former Brooklyn and LA Dodger pitcher Carl Erskine played the National Anthem on his harmonica for game 6 in Indiana. It does not get any cooler.