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2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Discussion Thread

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Who the hell is this guy?

A former NBA fan
Originally posted by infinite_limit:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Who the hell is this guy?

A former NBA fan

Who joined this board to talk basketball?
Originally posted by infinite_limit:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Who the hell is this guy?

A former NBA fan

So are you a PBM, or are you using an alias?
Originally posted by infinite_limit:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
The Heat got 2 last year?

They will easily win this year. Huge favorites going into next year

Hell, why stop at 3! If we're fantasizing, why not give them 9?
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by infinite_limit:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Who the hell is this guy?

A former NBA fan

So are you a PBM, or are you using an alias?

Nooooo, tons of people use throwaway email addresses and join football forums ONLY to talk about basketball and ONLY to say negative things about the topic. Pretty common.
so the only road team to play a good game 1 was the Warriors?

rockets getting whooped now
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Hell, why stop at 3! If we're fantasizing, why not give them 9?

Fantasizing? The NBA has had Three 3peats in the last 22 years. That's 9/22 = 40%

Not sure what sport you've been watching.
Originally posted by infinite_limit:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Hell, why stop at 3! If we're fantasizing, why not give them 9?

Fantasizing? The NBA has had Three 3peats in the last 22 years. That's 9/22 = 40%

Not sure what sport you've been watching.

They've won 1. Have a good chance at 2. I'm not giving them a third before the season even starts. That's silly.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
They've won 1. Have a good chance at 2. I'm not giving them a third before the season even starts. That's silly.

Because the team that traded their 2nd best player will beat them?

Spurs are the only team that can even sniff the Heat and they will be tired by the time they reach the Finals. Plus we already know Stern dislikes the Spurs.

You can keep watching in anticipation. The rest of us have already watched this movie multiple times.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
The vast majority of it is rule changes. The short version is this...the spacing of the NBA has changed. Defenders are allowed to be in different places now.

As a result, post catches are often farther away from the hoop than they used to be, and guys can bother a post player but still get back to the shooter. Then, since it's a skill that's been de-emphasized, you don't really have players working on their post game anymore. So I guess it's kinda both, but the rule changes are what led to this.

Your point is invalrod: Demarcus cousins
This alias' bit is like the guy that calls the radio show to tell them how horrible they are, but listens to every single show. lol
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
This alias' bit is like the guy that calls the radio show to tell them how horrible they are, but listens to every single show. lol

He reminds me of the Kurt thomas aka the GOAT guy
Meh infinite_limit is not worse then area49 IMO
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I re-watched the game and charted the every half court, offensive possession. Any transition, semi-transition, in bound play, or scramble play is not included. They were charted by the event that led to the shot, and in two ways...low post touches and perimeter events (drives, pick & rolls, isos, etc.), along with the result.

Therefore, if Howard got a low post touch and he kicked it out to MWP and MWP made a 3 (this happened) this is credited to the "low post touch" category. If Nash & Gasol run a pick and roll and Nash lobs it to Howard for a dunk, that's credited as a "perimeter" event. Here were the results. If anyone has any question about the methodology, I'm happy to answer it.

[b]Overall Low Post Plays[/b]

Number of Touches......35
Post Entry Turnovers.....4
Points Generated.........21
Points Per Possession...0.54

[b]Overall Perimeter Plays[/b]

Number of Touches........52
Points Generated...........44
Points Per Possession...0.85

[b]Dwight Howard[/b]

Amount of Touches…20 (17 eligible for PPP)
PPP…………………………0.53

[b]Pau Gasol[/b]

Amount of Touches…..9 (8 eligible for PPP)
PPP…………………………0.75

[b]MWP[/b]

Amount of Touches…..3 (3 eligible for PPP)
PPP………………………….1.33

[b]Antawn Jamison[/b]

Amount of Touches…..3 (3 eligible for PPP)
PPP………………………….0.67




[b]Game Log[/b]

1st Quarter

1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash makes 2 point jumper) 2
2) Post entry (turnover) 0
1) Nash/ Gasol Pnr (Nash misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Howard post touch (MWP misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jump hook) 0
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jumper) 0
3) In bound play (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) 2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes layup) 2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper) 0
1) Blake drive (Blake turnover) 0
1) Blake drive (Howard makes 2 point jumper) 2
1) MWP drive (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) 2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard gets fouled) N/A
1) Blake/Jamison PnR (Blake turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jump hook)
1) Blake/Jamison PnR (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
1) Meeks/Jamison PnR (Meeks misses 3 pointer)
1) Meeks drive (Gasol makes layup) 2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash Iso (Nash misses jumper)
2) Jamison post touch (Jamison makes ½ FTs) 1
2) Gasol post touch (Jamison makes layup) 2

2nd Quarter

2) Jamison post touch (Jamison makes 1/2 FTs) 1
2) Jamison post touch (Jamison turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Nash drive (Meeks missed 3)
1) MWP iso (Meeks makes layup) 2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard draws foul) N/A
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes layup) 2
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses jumper)
1) Nash drive (Nash layup) 2
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Gasol misses jumper)
1) Nash/Howard/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper)
2) MWP post touch (Howard makes layup)
1) Gasol/Howard PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Gasol iso (Howard dunk) 2
2) MWP post entry (MWP turnover)
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake makes runner in lane) 2
2) Howard post touch (Howard layup) 2
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol turnover)
2) Howard post touch (24 second violation)

3rd Quarter

1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point shot)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Nash drive (Nash turnover)
1) Gasol/Howard PnR (Gasol misses 2 point shot)
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses 3 point shot)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes 2 point jumper) 2
2) Howard post touch (Nash misses 3 point shot)
2) MWP post touch (MWP layup) 2
2) MWP post touch (MWP misses jumper)
1) Blake drive (Nash makes 3 pointer) 3
2) Howard post touch (MWP makes 3 pointer) 3
1) Blake drive (Blake makes 2 point jumper) 2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard draws foul)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes jumper in lane) 2
1) Blake drive (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
2) Post entry (Meeks turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake makes 2 point jumper) 2
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Jamison misses 3 pointer)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes ½ FTs) 1
1) Blake iso (Jamison makes 2/2 FTs) 2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses runner)
1) Meeks Iso (Meeks makes 2/2 FTs) 2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses layup)

4th quarter

2) Howard post touch (Howard makes jump hook) 2
2) Post entry (Nash turnover)
1) Gasol iso (Gasol makes layup) 2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) 2
*2) Gasol post touch (MWP draws foul)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Howard misses layup)
2) Howard post touch (MWP misses 3 pointer)
1) Nash drives (Nash makes 2/2 FTs) 2
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes ½ FTs) 1
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses jump hook)
1) Gasol iso (Jamison misses 2 point jumper)
1) Gasol iso (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Howard makes layup) 2
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes 0/2 FTs)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash makes layup) 2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes 2/2 FTs) 2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes ½ FTs) 1
3) Hack-a-Howard (Howard makes ½ FTs) 1
1) MWP iso (MWP misses 3 pointer)
1) Blake iso (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
1) Blake iso (Blake makes 3 pointer) 3
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake misses 3 pointer)
1) Blake drive (Gasol makes layup) 2


Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I re-watched the game and charted the every half court, offensive possession. Any transition, semi-transition, in bound play, or scramble play is not included. They were charted by the event that led to the shot, and in two ways...low post touches and perimeter events (drives, pick & rolls, isos, etc.), along with the result.

Therefore, if Howard got a low post touch and he kicked it out to MWP and MWP made a 3 (this happened) this is credited to the "low post touch" category. If Nash & Gasol run a pick and roll and Nash lobs it to Howard for a dunk, that's credited as a "perimeter" event. Here were the results. If anyone has any question about the methodology, I'm happy to answer it.

[b]Overall Low Post Plays[/b]

Number of Touches......35
Post Entry Turnovers.....4
Points Generated.........21
Points Per Possession...0.54

[b]Overall Perimeter Plays[/b]

Number of Touches........52
Points Generated...........44
Points Per Possession...0.85

[b]Dwight Howard[/b]

Amount of Touches…20 (17 eligible for PPP)
PPP…………………………0.53

[b]Pau Gasol[/b]

Amount of Touches…..9 (8 eligible for PPP)
PPP…………………………0.75

[b]MWP[/b]

Amount of Touches…..3 (3 eligible for PPP)
PPP………………………….1.33

[b]Antawn Jamison[/b]

Amount of Touches…..3 (3 eligible for PPP)
PPP………………………….0.67




[b]Game Log[/b]

1st Quarter

1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash makes 2 point jumper) +2
2) Post entry (turnover) 0
1) Nash/ Gasol Pnr (Nash misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Howard post touch (MWP misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses 2 point jumper) 0
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jump hook) 0
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jumper) 0
3) In bound play (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) +2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes layup) +2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper) +0
1) Blake drive (Blake turnover) 0
1) Blake drive (Howard makes 2 point jumper) +2
1) MWP drive (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) +2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard gets fouled) N/A
1) Blake/Jamison PnR (Blake turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard misses jump hook)
1) Blake/Jamison PnR (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
1) Meeks/Jamison PnR (Meeks misses 3 pointer)
1) Meeks drive (Gasol makes layup) +2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash Iso (Nash misses jumper)
2) Jamison post touch (Jamison makes ½ FTs) +1
2) Gasol post touch (Jamison makes layup) +2

2nd Quarter

2) Jamison post touch (Jamison makes 1/2 FTs) +1
2) Jamison post touch (Jamison turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Nash drive (Meeks missed 3)
1) MWP iso (Meeks makes layup) +2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard draws foul) N/A
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes layup) +2
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses jumper)
1) Nash drive (Nash layup) +2
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Gasol misses jumper)
1) Nash/Howard/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper)
2) MWP post touch (Howard makes layup)
1) Gasol/Howard PnR (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Gasol iso (Howard dunk) +2
2) MWP post entry (MWP turnover)
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake makes runner in lane) +2
2) Howard post touch (Howard layup) +2
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol turnover)
2) Howard post touch (24 second violation)

3rd Quarter

1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash misses 2 point shot)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Nash drive (Nash turnover)
1) Gasol/Howard PnR (Gasol misses 2 point shot)
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses 3 point shot)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes 2 point jumper) +2
2) Howard post touch (Nash misses 3 point shot)
2) MWP post touch (MWP layup) +2
2) MWP post touch (MWP misses jumper)
1) Blake drive (Nash makes 3 pointer) +3
2) Howard post touch (MWP makes 3 pointer) +3
1) Blake drive (Blake makes 2 point jumper) +2
*2) Howard post touch (Howard draws foul)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes jumper in lane) +2
1) Blake drive (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
2) Post entry (Meeks turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard turnover)
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake makes 2 point jumper) +2
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Jamison misses 3 pointer)
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes ½ FTs) +1
1) Blake iso (Jamison makes 2/2 FTs) +2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses runner)
1) Meeks Iso (Meeks makes 2/2 FTs) +2
1) Blake/Gasol PnR (Blake misses layup)

4th quarter

2) Howard post touch (Howard makes jump hook) +2
2) Post entry (Nash turnover)
1) Gasol iso (Gasol makes layup) +2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol makes 2 point jumper) +2
*2) Gasol post touch (MWP draws foul)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Howard misses layup)
2) Howard post touch (MWP misses 3 pointer)
1) Nash drives (Nash makes 2/2 FTs) +2
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol makes ½ FTs) +1
2) Gasol post touch (Gasol misses jump hook)
1) Gasol iso (Jamison misses 2 point jumper)
1) Gasol iso (Gasol misses 2 point jumper)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Howard makes layup) +2
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes 0/2 FTs)
1) Nash/Howard PnR (Nash makes layup) +2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Nash makes 2/2 FTs) +2
1) Nash/Gasol PnR (Gasol turnover)
2) Howard post touch (Howard makes ½ FTs) +1
3) Hack-a-Howard (Howard makes ½ FTs) +1
1) MWP iso (MWP misses 3 pointer)
1) Blake iso (Blake misses 2 point jumper)
1) Blake iso (Blake makes 3 pointer) +3
1) Blake/Howard PnR (Blake misses 3 pointer)
1) Blake drive (Gasol makes layup) +2

...and that's too few touches in the post for Dwight and Howard. If Kobe was playing on the perimeter - that can be excused...but he's out and by far the best two players on the court are Gasol and Dwight. I'm not even putting the full blame on the players, it's the offense. Even when they get the ball in the post, the spacing is so poor...it's easy to double or get help.

Also, when Dwight and Gasol haven't been gettin' enough quality touches in the post all year, it's hard to ask them to be efficient all of a sudden. I thought the ball was moving well at times in the first half, but once Lakers got behind...guys started chucking ball from outside.

Dwight and Gasol have been much better in the post in previous years. This offense is set up for perimeter players, and hurts the Centers and PFs who are primarily paint players. I feel that's one of the reasons why Gasol and Dwight don't demand the ball OR are as aggressive with it...as they once did, because they just don't feel comfortable in this offense.
[ Edited by 49ersMyLife on Apr 21, 2013 at 9:29 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
...and that's too few touches in the post for Dwight and Howard. If Kobe was playing on the perimeter - that can be excused...but he's out and by far the best two players on the court are Gasol and Dwight. I'm not even putting the full blame on the players, it's the offense. Even when they get the ball in the post, the spacing is so poor...it's easy to double or get help.

Also, when Dwight and Gasol haven't been gettin' enough quality touches in the post all year, it's hard to ask them to be efficient all of a sudden. I thought the ball was moving well at times in the first half, but once Lakers got behind...guys started chucking ball from outside.

Dwight and Gasol have been much better in the post in previous years. This offense is set up for perimeter players, and hurts the Centers and PFs who are primarily paint players. I feel that's one of the reasons why Gasol and Dwight don't demand the ball OR are as aggressive with it...as they once did, because they just don't feel comfortable in this offense.

Maybe Dwight is not a very skilled post player. Lakers post offense needs to run through Gasol. Dwight needs to heavily focus on rebounds, blocks, and cleanup points.
[ Edited by Joecool on Apr 21, 2013 at 9:33 PM ]
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