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2013 Oakland A's thread

  • teeohh
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Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I didnt say anything in that post that wasnt true.

The A's arent faced with leaving the bay area. They have their own territory to build a stadium, they just dont like it. MLB forced the A's to hand it over because it saved the Giants from leaving the market. They arent forcing the A's now because its a move they just covet, not need to survive.

Privately financing a stadium in CA is incredibly difficult. The Giants had a carefully detailed plan on how to make it work based on having those corporate sponsors. Giving us a cut of what you guys make from it isnt good enough. Its just as good as someone stealing 100 bucks from you, but returning 25. That is going to be the Giants leg to stand on in court, and its a strong case.

The suit also claims that Major League Baseball's constitution, the sport's governing framework, expired last year and that owners failed to renew it. That meant any team's territorial claims also expired, the suit says.

Hmmmmm....Have a feeling the Giants are about to reap a load of karma

Reap a load of deez nuts
Originally posted by Dr_Bill_Walsh:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I didnt say anything in that post that wasnt true.

The A's arent faced with leaving the bay area. They have their own territory to build a stadium, they just dont like it. MLB forced the A's to hand it over because it saved the Giants from leaving the market. They arent forcing the A's now because its a move they just covet, not need to survive.

Privately financing a stadium in CA is incredibly difficult. The Giants had a carefully detailed plan on how to make it work based on having those corporate sponsors. Giving us a cut of what you guys make from it isnt good enough. Its just as good as someone stealing 100 bucks from you, but returning 25. That is going to be the Giants leg to stand on in court, and its a strong case.

The suit also claims that Major League Baseball's constitution, the sport's governing framework, expired last year and that owners failed to renew it. That meant any team's territorial claims also expired, the suit says.

Hmmmmm....Have a feeling the Giants are about to reap a load of karma

lol I still dont get why A's fans feel like the team is the tormented little brother. Theres all this weird rage against the Giants, like they dont deserve everything theyve gotten over the years. Its pure jealousy.

The Giants choosing to block the A's is to protect their business model, its not personal. Plus think about this, the south bay is where a HUGE percentage of Giants fans have lived for decades. The Giants play in the city of SF, but the fanbase mostly lives in the south bay. Now obviously nobody who is already a Giants fan is going to convert to be an A's fan just because they moved in. But, future generations of kids from SJ will start becoming A's fans, because its their hometown team now. They will grow up going to A's games. The Giants are going to lose that future fanbase, almost like its killing the fan "farm system".

Having grown up in SJ, I understand how much of a big deal that territory is to the Giants. You saying the Giants are going to receive some bad "karma" for not giving up this property to the A's is ridiculous. Its WAY too important for our franchise to just give up.

What if they tried to move the Kings to SJ? You dont think the Warriors would have something to say about it? Its not about who gave who territory 20 years ago, its about the fact that the Giants depend on the south bay for business and building their fanbase.
This puzzle will inevitably be solved when all Bay Area teams move to San Jose/Santa Clara
Niners99, the city of San Jose wants a baseball stadium. San Jose is one of the biggest cities in the entire US. Why is it that San Jose shouldn't be able to have their own baseball team if they so choose given the fact that they are a large city capable of supporting their own franchise?

The city of Oakland has yet to provide a feasible solution to the A's stadium situation in the 10+ years the A"s have been trying to get a new one. How can you say that the A's don't actually need to move to San Jose and can get a stadium in the East Bay but they just don't want to because they want a piece of your San Jose cash-cow? If the A's can't get a stadium in San Jose then yes, they just might have to leave the Bay Area because staying in the dump that is the Coliseum (and given recent developments that is not merely a figure of speech anymore) long term is not an option,
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by teeohh:
I feel bad for Oakland, I think the teams there should stay there

Or, at least in Fremont (what happened to that plan?)

The East Bay will be deserted. After the Dubs leave, if the A's leave, the only team left will be the Raiders and that ain't right. Everybody wants that Silicon Valley paper.
That plan fell apart when the real estate market collapsed. That whole plan depended on a large residential development being built around the stadium and that is no longer a valid business model.

As someone who grew up in Oakland, it is sad that all the sports teams want to leave, but they did it to themselves. Oakland politicians want to play the victim card but if they want to blame somebody they should look at themselves in the mirror.
Originally posted by jrg:
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a s**t show (literally).
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a s**t show (literally).

Should be an interesting series. Athletics have surprised me this year.

Should be:

Lyons (although he may be gone soon) @ Colon
Miller @ Straily
Wainwright @ Parker
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a s**t show (literally).

Should be an interesting series. Athletics have surprised me this year.

Should be:

Lyons (although he may be gone soon) @ Colon
Miller @ Straily
Wainwright @ Parker

Maybe I should be more clear...hopefully s**t doesn't come out of your showers instead of water. It happened after the last game of our most recent homestand.
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a s**t show (literally).

Should be an interesting series. Athletics have surprised me this year.

Should be:

Lyons (although he may be gone soon) @ Colon
Miller @ Straily
Wainwright @ Parker

Maybe I should be more clear...hopefully s**t doesn't come out of your showers instead of water. It happened after the last game of our most recent homestand.

LOL
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by jrg:
can't wait for cardinals/athletics coming up

Hopefully it doesn't turn into a s**t show (literally).

Should be an interesting series. Athletics have surprised me this year.

Should be:

Lyons (although he may be gone soon) @ Colon
Miller @ Straily
Wainwright @ Parker

Maybe I should be more clear...hopefully s**t doesn't come out of your showers instead of water. It happened after the last game of our most recent homestand.

LOL

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130617&content_id=50920270&notebook_id=50919742&vkey=notebook_oak&c_id=oak

That's the official fluff piece version. In reality I bet it was much worse.
About time SJ sued.
Nice win against Darvish, and it means at worst the a's leave Texas with the division lead still.
Bottom line, the Giants are and have been acting with bad faith. Before Wolff purchased the team, there was a very pro Oakland group of investors that got blocked by the MLB. One of the reasons cited was local opposition, only when they interviewed one of the principal investors, he said that the Giants had been financing these groups against an ownership group that was gung ho about keeping the A's in Oakland. The reality of the situation is that the Giants don't want the A's in Oakland and they damn sure don't want them in Dan Jose. Even Fremont and Sacramento could be too close for comfort. Essentially the Giants want the entire NorCal region to themselves, so f**k the A's and their fan base, they can head off to Portland or Vancouver for all they care.



This is why I hope this lawsuit is successful and the MLB tells the Giants to go shove it. They don't want any amicable resolution to this, they want the A's gone period.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Bottom line, the Giants are and have been acting with bad faith. Before Wolff purchased the team, there was a very pro Oakland group of investors that got blocked by the MLB. One of the reasons cited was local opposition, only when they interviewed one of the principal investors, he said that the Giants had been financing these groups against an ownership group that was gung ho about keeping the A's in Oakland. The reality of the situation is that the Giants don't want the A's in Oakland and they damn sure don't want them in Dan Jose. Even Fremont and Sacramento could be too close for comfort. Essentially the Giants want the entire NorCal region to themselves, so f**k the A's and their fan base, they can head off to Portland or Vancouver for all they care.



This is why I hope this lawsuit is successful and the MLB tells the Giants to go shove it. They don't want any amicable resolution to this, they want the A's gone period.

Yup:

http://www.modbee.com/2010/01/23/1019702/piccinini-reflects-on-as-deal.html

Should infuriate anyone from the pro-Oakland crowd....been sabotaged for years