The Baseball Hall of Fame

let tim smoke and let barry juice!

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Barry Bonds is not an all time great if he never uses performance enhancers

Uh......what?

I said ALL TIME GREAT... Never said he wasn't a great player. Difference between being considered a great player or the greatest player.

• 3 time MVP
• 8 time All-Star
• 8 time Gold Glover
• 7 time Silver Slugger
• 445 career HR
• 460 career SB
• 2010 career hits
• .410 career OB%
• .288 career AVG

All by age 34. Even if he had retired the day after the 1999 season, and never touched a PED, hed have been a lock for the HOF, and an all-time great player.

Want to know how many players are in the 400/400 club? One. Barry Bonds. He was in a class all by himself before all the PED stuff even happened. That seems like an All Time great player to me, even if you end his career in 99. He finished top 5 in the MVP voting 7 times in the 90's alone.

Great post.

Yep. Seriously it boggles my mind how anyone would ever say he wasnt an all time great without PEDS. Facts are facts. Now, obviously he wouldnt be the all time HR king or have hit 73 homers in one season but he would still be considered one of the two most dominant hitters in his era without any help. (along with Griffey).

Bonds was a jerk and was stupid to use roids but it doesnt take away his greatness before 1999.

Looking ahead to next year


Full list of first-time candidates: Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro.

Holdovers from this year's election: Craig Biggio (68.2% of the vote in 2013); Jack Morris (67.7%); Jeff Bagwell (59.6%); Mike Piazza (57.8%); Tim Raines (52.2%); Lee Smith (47.8%); Curt Schilling (38.8%); Roger Clemens (37.6%); Barry Bonds (36.2%); Edgar Martinez (35.9%); Alan Trammell (33.6%); Larry Walker (21.6%); Fred McGriff (20.7%); Mark McGwire (16.9%); Don Mattingly (13.2%); Sammy Sosa (12.5%); and Rafael Palmeiro (8.8%).

LOL Matt Morris

Originally posted by Valrod33:
Looking ahead to next year


Full list of first-time candidates: Moises Alou, Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Jose Cruz Jr., Ray Durham, Damion Easley, Keith Foulke, Eric Gagne, Tom Glavine, Luis Gonzalez, Scott Hatteberg, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Jeff Kent, Jon Lieber, Esteban Loaiza, Paul Lo Duca, Greg Maddux, Matt Morris, Mike Mussina, Trot Nixon, Hideo Nomo, Jay Payton, Kenny Rogers, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Shannon Stewart, Frank Thomas, Mike Timlin, Steve Trachsel, Jose Vidro.

Holdovers from this year's election: Craig Biggio (68.2% of the vote in 2013); Jack Morris (67.7%); Jeff Bagwell (59.6%); Mike Piazza (57.8%); Tim Raines (52.2%); Lee Smith (47.8%); Curt Schilling (38.8%); Roger Clemens (37.6%); Barry Bonds (36.2%); Edgar Martinez (35.9%); Alan Trammell (33.6%); Larry Walker (21.6%); Fred McGriff (20.7%); Mark McGwire (16.9%); Don Mattingly (13.2%); Sammy Sosa (12.5%); and Rafael Palmeiro (8.8%).

Maddux is a lock obviously. Glavine should also make it. Jeff Kent and Frank Thomas will also be very strong candidates and how ironic would it be if Kent made it in before Bonds. None of the other guys will have a chance.

you can disagree with it if you want, but a great read nonetheless http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130108/hall-of-fame-ballot-steroids-mark-mcgwire-barry-bonds-roger-clemens/

Frankly, the whole concept of the Hall of Fame is silly to me. Writers are not the most qualified people to be judging who is or isn't a Hall of Fame caliber player.

If the Hall of Fame wanted real credibility, it would be voted on by coaches, ex-players, scouts, and front office personnel......not writers who bear grudges because some player didn't want to give them an interview.

go bonds and clemens.

Originally posted by crzy:
Frankly, the whole concept of the Hall of Fame is silly to me. Writers are not the most qualified people to be judging who is or isn't a Hall of Fame caliber player.

If the Hall of Fame wanted real credibility, it would be voted on by coaches, ex-players, scouts, and front office personnel......not writers who bear grudges because some player didn't want to give them an interview.

This.

Originally posted by crzy:

Frankly, the whole concept of the Hall of Fame is silly to me. Writers are not the most qualified people to be judging who is or isn't a Hall of Fame caliber player.

If the Hall of Fame wanted real credibility, it would be voted on by coaches, ex-players, scouts, and front office personnel......not writers who bear grudges because some player didn't want to give them an interview.

I agree that writers have too much power in this whole thing, but grudges can be dealt out by former players/coaches/front office people too.

Originally posted by vrabbit:

you can disagree with it if you want, but a great read nonetheless http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130108/hall-of-fame-ballot-steroids-mark-mcgwire-barry-bonds-roger-clemens/

Putting the HOF on a pedestal

Originally posted by ads_2006:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
you can disagree with it if you want, but a great read nonetheless http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130108/hall-of-fame-ballot-steroids-mark-mcgwire-barry-bonds-roger-clemens/

Putting the HOF on a pedestal

won't vote for ANY steroid user, but voted for Bagwell.......uhhhh what?

Originally posted by crzy:

Frankly, the whole concept of the Hall of Fame is silly to me. Writers are not the most qualified people to be judging who is or isn't a Hall of Fame caliber player.

If the Hall of Fame wanted real credibility, it would be voted on by coaches, ex-players, scouts, and front office personnel......not writers who bear grudges because some player didn't want to give them an interview.

Rafael Palmeiro and his 1999 Gold Glove award agrees.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by jrg:

Still no Lee Smith

He is never getting in. Next year Maddux and Glavine come up which is only going to make it even more difficult for anyone on this years list to make it.

Doesn't make sense. He has more saves than the 5 closers who ARE in the HOF.

LOL Bonds 36%. What a joke.