Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by jrg:
[b]The guy will win his MVP before he is done[/b]...his offense is coming around and his defense, managing of the pitching staff is out of this world.
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Larry is probably right though...he won't because all anyone looks at are offensive numbers.
I'm not talking offensive numbers..because I know that is how you'll respond. Your next will be the MVP (which is based around offense...as Larry said) and WS (Molina has 2).. His defense..ability to block the plate...shuts down running games...an extra coach on the roster..his management of the pitching staff. You notice we lost one of the known great pitching coaches Dave Duncan and we haven't missed a beat? Who is still behind the plate? If you don't watch Cardinals games, you truly don't understand how good this guy is.
He is often mentioned as the best catcher in baseball by many people.
Im well aware of how good Molina is. I think most baseball fans understand he is the best defensive catcher in baseball. But, as an overall baseball player, and asset to his team, I still think Buster Posey is, and always will be the better player.
Barring another major injury, Posey is going to be the Johnny Bench of this generation. Molina is the most well-rounded catcher in baseball, but not the best.
Im not sure people outside the Giants fanbase understand quite how big of an impact Posey has made on the team. As soon as he came up in 2010 (3 years ago today actually), he made an impact as if we traded for a star player. As a 23 year old rookie, he put the team on his back and led both an offense and a pitching staff to a WS title.
In 2011 his ankle is shattered, and our season is lost because of it.
He comes back in 2012, and in a season where he was supposed to be "eased" back into playing time coming off a major injury, he wins the MVP, and then another WS title. Still just 25. 2 full Major League seasons, 2 rings, an MVP, a Hank Aaron award, a Rookie of the Year, a Silver Slugger, a Comeback POY, started the All-Star game, etc.
He was thrust into a role at 23 where he was leaned on to not only hit cleanup for a mediocre offense, but command one of the best pitching staff's in baseball, and he didnt even have trouble adjusting. He looked like an old vet from day 1.
It took Yadier 9 years to put up an offensive season that even resembled Buster Posey's rookie season at the plate. Posey might never be the defensive whiz that Molina is, or gun down runners as well as Molina does, but hes still a top tier defensive catcher and an above average throwing arm, on top of being every bit as good at handling a Major League staff. When you combine that with Posey being the superior offensive player, and the mastery hes shown of the game of baseball at such a young age already, its not as close as Cards fans like to think it is.
I saw a graphic today that said since the beginning of 2012, only 1 NL player has more RBI's than Buster Posey.
Molina's career OPS+ is 97
Posey's is 149.
Buster Posey's (rookie) 4 month 2010 season: 406 AB's, 58 R, 124 H, 23 2B, 18 HR, 67 RBI's, .305 AVG, .357 OB%, .505 SLG
Yadier Molina's (career year) 2012 season: 505 AB's, 65 R, 159 H, 28 2B, 22 HR, 76 RBI's
, .315 AVG, .373 OB%, .501 SLG,
Posey's 2010 season extrapolated to 100 more AB's to match Molina's 2012: 73 R, 155 H, 29 2B, 23 HR, 84 RBI's
Posey was just as good offensively as a rookie as Molina was in his career best offensive season as a 9 year veteran.
It would be one thing if Posey sucked at defense, but hes an above average defender with an above average arm as well.