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2012-13 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Regarding Kobe's salary going forward, a lot is going to happen between now and then. But I think we're going to have a hard time putting a championship team on the court if he re-signs for more than $10M, $12M tops. That's well under his value, both on the court and even more so in terms of the revenue he generates, but that's the problem with trying to build your team entirely through free agency. In order for it to work, you need several guys to come together to take less money, like what happened in Miami.

The only thing that would have made this smart is Kobe telling the front office that he'd come back for cheap. If that hasn't happened, we're on a terrible course right now.

LOL. Only Wade took less money and it was still damn near a max deal.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Regarding Kobe's salary going forward, a lot is going to happen between now and then. But I think we're going to have a hard time putting a championship team on the court if he re-signs for more than $10M, $12M tops. That's well under his value, both on the court and even more so in terms of the revenue he generates, but that's the problem with trying to build your team entirely through free agency. In order for it to work, you need several guys to come together to take less money, like what happened in Miami.

The only thing that would have made this smart is Kobe telling the front office that he'd come back for cheap. If that hasn't happened, we're on a terrible course right now.

LOL. Only Wade took less money and it was still damn near a max deal.

Didnt James also take less money to go to Miami?
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Regarding Kobe's salary going forward, a lot is going to happen between now and then. But I think we're going to have a hard time putting a championship team on the court if he re-signs for more than $10M, $12M tops. That's well under his value, both on the court and even more so in terms of the revenue he generates, but that's the problem with trying to build your team entirely through free agency. In order for it to work, you need several guys to come together to take less money, like what happened in Miami.

The only thing that would have made this smart is Kobe telling the front office that he'd come back for cheap. If that hasn't happened, we're on a terrible course right now.

LOL. Only Wade took less money and it was still damn near a max deal.

Didnt James also take less money to go to Miami?

All 3 did...Wade took the biggest pay-cut because he was staying in Miami. There wasn't a LOT of difference between their salaries though.

They left about $15M each on the table over the course of 6 years.
[ Edited by 49ersMyLife on Jul 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM ]
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Regarding Kobe's salary going forward, a lot is going to happen between now and then. But I think we're going to have a hard time putting a championship team on the court if he re-signs for more than $10M, $12M tops. That's well under his value, both on the court and even more so in terms of the revenue he generates, but that's the problem with trying to build your team entirely through free agency. In order for it to work, you need several guys to come together to take less money, like what happened in Miami.

The only thing that would have made this smart is Kobe telling the front office that he'd come back for cheap. If that hasn't happened, we're on a terrible course right now.

LOL. Only Wade took less money and it was still damn near a max deal.

Didnt James also take less money to go to Miami?


Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
All 3 did...Wade took the biggest pay-cut because he was staying in Miami. There wasn't a LOT of difference between their salaries though.

They left about $15M each on the table over the course of 6 years.

And if you're talking about guys that aren't coming off of their first extensions with 7 years of service in the league (like LeBron/Wade/Bosh were), you're talking about leaving a lot more money on the table than that. Melo's max, for example, at 11 years in the league is gonna be a lot more than what those guys could've made.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Regarding Kobe's salary going forward, a lot is going to happen between now and then. But I think we're going to have a hard time putting a championship team on the court if he re-signs for more than $10M, $12M tops. That's well under his value, both on the court and even more so in terms of the revenue he generates, but that's the problem with trying to build your team entirely through free agency. In order for it to work, you need several guys to come together to take less money, like what happened in Miami.

The only thing that would have made this smart is Kobe telling the front office that he'd come back for cheap. If that hasn't happened, we're on a terrible course right now.

LOL. Only Wade took less money and it was still damn near a max deal.

Didnt James also take less money to go to Miami?



Lols. Ok those guys took a minor pay cut in order to sign a few more role players. But they didn't take anywhere near half of their possible starting salary like Pete suggests Kobe do.

NBA salary rules are all about starting salary and allowable raises.

LeBron could have had a starting salary of $16.6M and he took $14.5M instead. If Kobe only takes a $2M pay cut from what other teams would be willing to pay him I will be impressed. Let's be real $2M bucks to these guys is a drop in the bucket.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
All 3 did...Wade took the biggest pay-cut because he was staying in Miami. There wasn't a LOT of difference between their salaries though.

They left about $15M each on the table over the course of 6 years.

And if you're talking about guys that aren't coming off of their first extensions with 7 years of service in the league (like LeBron/Wade/Bosh were), you're talking about leaving a lot more money on the table than that. Melo's max, for example, at 11 years in the league is gonna be a lot more than what those guys could've made.

Yes but with Lebron and Wade there are a lot of endorsements involved. NBA contract is not their only money. Bosh not as much endorsements. Plus you got to factor in they are in a state income tax free state. That's a big deal when you look at NY and CA and how much they would tax you.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Lols. Ok those guys took a minor pay cut in order to sign a few more role players. But they didn't take anywhere near half of their possible starting salary like Pete suggests Kobe do.

NBA salary rules are all about starting salary and allowable raises.

LeBron could have had a starting salary of $16.6M and he took $14.5M instead. If Kobe only takes a $2M pay cut from what other teams would be willing to pay him I will be impressed. Let's be real $2M bucks to these guys is a drop in the bucket.

Sure, ultimately it wasn't a massive sacrifice for those guys, but think about it in the context of my larger point, which is that it's INCREDIBLY hard to build a championship team almost solely through free agency, even if you're the Lakers. In Miami you had...

1) A generational talent in LeBron, a 1st ballot HOFer in Wade, & a perennial all-star in Bosh hitting FA at the same time and all agree to play on the same team.
2) Each guy was coming off of their 7th year, meaning the max they could get wasn't in the area of what Kobe makes or what Melo could make in '14.
3) They all agreed to take paycuts.

So in that situation, they weren't leaving THAT much on the table, like you said, but the circumstances under which they signed are incredibly rare, because of how incredibly rare the 2003 draft class was. To put it in perspective, the next group of "guys that have been in the league for 7 years and just now hitting FA" will be in 2015, when it's Rajon Rondo, Kevin Love, & Roy Hibbert. Good players, but not at all comparable to the 2010 version of LeBron/Wade/Bosh. On the flip side, Melo's max in LA would be $23.5M the first year, with 5% raises. Signing for $14.5M so you can get 3 stars the way that LeBron & Co. did in '10 is a MUCH bigger sacrifice in terms of money left of the table. And Melo couldn't get the 5th, guaranteed year either.

What the Lakers are doing is really ill-conceived.
interesting thought heard on the colin cowherd show re lakers chances for LeBron in 2014--why would LeBron want to build kobe's legacy by giving him 2 more championships?
Originally posted by hofer36:
interesting thought heard on the colin cowherd show re lakers chances for LeBron in 2014--why would LeBron want to build kobe's legacy by giving him 2 more championships?

I think it's been made very clear that Bron doesn't care so much about the minute details of legacies, especially his own. Boy just wants to win and have fun doing it.

Regardless, don't think Bron is coming out here anyways.
Lamar Odom is weighing whether to sign with the Lakers or Clippers on a one-year, $1.4 million contract.

Odom, 33, has not drawn interest from many teams.
Originally posted by GameOver:
Originally posted by hofer36:
interesting thought heard on the colin cowherd show re lakers chances for LeBron in 2014--why would LeBron want to build kobe's legacy by giving him 2 more championships?

I think it's been made very clear that Bron doesn't care so much about the minute details of legacies, especially his own. Boy just wants to win and have fun doing it.

Regardless, don't think Bron is coming out here anyways.

Lebron may be giving that vibe earlier in his career...but he is all about legacy right now. He has said he wants to be the greatest player of all time. That's his goal. Yes, he does not believe rings will be the be-all end-all when it comes to defining one's legacy (rightfully so)...but after what Jordan said, I've no doubt Lebron wants to win chips so no one can use that argument against him.

I also doubt Lebron comes to Lakers. He's making his legacy in Miami and I believe he'll only consider leaving Miami for Cleveland.
Originally posted by GameOver:
I think it's been made very clear that Bron doesn't care so much about the minute details of legacies, especially his own. Boy just wants to win and have fun doing it.

Regardless, don't think Bron is coming out here anyways.

I would be EXTREMELY shocked if he went to LA. I don't think he wants to go through all of that again. Especially if Vino is still there. Because then Bron would hear the, "he had to go and get Kobe's help in LA to win a ring," etc.

Plus Laker fans hate him. It should remain that way.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Lebron may be giving that vibe earlier in his career...but he is all about legacy right now. He has said he wants to be the greatest player of all time. That's his goal. Yes, he does not believe rings will be the be-all end-all when it comes to defining one's legacy (rightfully so)...but after what Jordan said, I've no doubt Lebron wants to win chips so no one can use that argument against him.

I also doubt Lebron comes to Lakers. He's making his legacy in Miami and I believe he'll only consider leaving Miami for Cleveland.

He should stay in South Beach and cement his legacy there. It would be super weird if he went back to Cleveland. Remember how much Dan Gilbert hated him for a couple of days lol
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Lebron may be giving that vibe earlier in his career...but he is all about legacy right now. He has said he wants to be the greatest player of all time. That's his goal. Yes, he does not believe rings will be the be-all end-all when it comes to defining one's legacy (rightfully so)...but after what Jordan said, I've no doubt Lebron wants to win chips so no one can use that argument against him.

I also doubt Lebron comes to Lakers. He's making his legacy in Miami and I believe he'll only consider leaving Miami for Cleveland.

He should stay in South Beach and cement his legacy there. It would be super weird if he went back to Cleveland. Remember how much Dan Gilbert hated him for a couple of days lol

Agreed. But I also agree with 4ML in that if he leaves Miami, he'll probably go to Cleveland. I don't see LA happening.
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