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2012-13 Los Angeles Lakers Thread

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I agree that we have options with Pau. However, I don't want to take big salary back (a guy like Nene, for example), because that interferes with our ability to sign legit max contract guys. I also don't want us investing in the wrong player. (someone like Jennings, for example) I want young assets that can actually help us contend for a title.

If a guy's a good player on his rookie contract and he fits that description, Pau's not good enough to get him. That's why I want a draft pick in exchange for him.

Fair but I can't name too many teams that'd be interested in Pau that would potentially have a top 10, let alone top 5, draft pick.

I really think we should pursue the Horford deal...I don't know what's going on in ATLs head but I'm going to start scouring their forums to see what the consensus is there. They have to be thinking start from scratch.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
We trade away and sell all of our picks! We haven't drafted anyone worth a damn (other than Marc Gasol in the 2nd Round) because we never even have picks. A bunch of good luck in the draft? We can conceivably have up to 4 lottery picks between now and 2016 if we liquidate our assets now. We'd only need two of those guys to be good players. Other than Miami, who had an inimitable free agent union in '10, every good team in the league built the bulk of their team through the draft, and used FA to supplement that.

And so what about the TWC deal? That means we could re-sign guys and go well into Luxury Tax territory, but if all we're doing is signing free agents from elsewhere, we can only "make it rain" up to the salary cap threshold. What...you think Rajon Rondo, LaMarcus Aldridge, a 37 year old Kobe Bryant, & a bunch of vet minimum dudes make us title contenders in '15-16?

THE MATH DOES NOT WORK IF ALL WE'RE DOING IS SIGNING FA'S. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GO AROUND. WE HAVE NEVER WON A TITLE WITHOUT A SUPERSTAR THAT WE ACQUIRED THROUGH THE DRAFT. NEVER EVER EVER.

"WE HAVE NEVER WON A TITLE WITHOUT A SUPERSTAR THAT WE ACQUIRED THROUGH THE DRAFT. NEVER EVER EVER."

Well no s**t thats because the Superstars that we acquired through the draft went on to become some of the best players in the history of the game. (Baylor, West Johnson, etc...) and even outside of those select few when this team had the picks during the 80s, 90s, and 2000s this team didn't acquire anybody from the draft worth a damn. (exception being Kobe) and you expect to hit on 2 out of 4 lottery picks to make this team a contender On top of that this team needs a new head coach to go along with your lottery picks. I agree that this team needs to rebuild but I think relying solely on the draft is going to be a huge mistake not to mention something that the FO won't even consider
But we acquired Kobe through trade.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.

The facts are that the Charlotte Hornets drafted Kobe Bryant with the 13th pick in the 1996 draft.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.


this thats like saying Eli Manning was a Charger...same s**t we all knew what was going to happen in the draft
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.


this thats like saying Eli Manning was a Charger...same s**t we all knew what was going to happen in the draft

You just agreed with reign. lol


It would be just as incorrect to say Eli was drafted by the giants.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.


this thats like saying Eli Manning was a Charger...same s**t we all knew what was going to happen in the draft

You just agreed with reign. lol


It would be just as incorrect to say Eli was drafted by the giants.

Eli and Kobe are completely different.
I'm lost
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
But we acquired Kobe through trade.

Trade was agreed to prior to the draft and the Lakers told the Hornet who to draft. The Lakers drafted Kobe.


this thats like saying Eli Manning was a Charger...same s**t we all knew what was going to happen in the draft

You just agreed with reign. lol


It would be just as incorrect to say Eli was drafted by the giants.

Eli and Kobe are completely different.

What a lame post on your part. lol


They were both drafted by one team and traded to another before ever playing for their original team. Their situations are almost identical, as far as how they ended up on their teams. lol
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
What a lame post on your part. lol


They were both drafted by one team and traded to another before ever playing for their original team. Their situations are almost identical, as far as how they ended up on their teams. lol

There was no trade agreed to before picking Eli. No other team told the Chargers who to pick. Also the NBA requires draft day trades to not be official yet so the team that trades the pick is announced as drafting them, unlike the NFL.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
"WE HAVE NEVER WON A TITLE WITHOUT A SUPERSTAR THAT WE ACQUIRED THROUGH THE DRAFT. NEVER EVER EVER."

Well no s**t thats because the Superstars that we acquired through the draft went on to become some of the best players in the history of the game. (Baylor, West Johnson, etc...) and even outside of those select few when this team had the picks during the 80s, 90s, and 2000s this team didn't acquire anybody from the draft worth a damn. (exception being Kobe) and you expect to hit on 2 out of 4 lottery picks to make this team a contender On top of that this team needs a new head coach to go along with your lottery picks. I agree that this team needs to rebuild but I think relying solely on the draft is going to be a huge mistake not to mention something that the FO won't even consider

We don't need 2 out of 4 lottery picks to become superstars. We just need them to become very good players BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ROOM TO SIGN TWO SUPERSTAR FREE AGENTS AT THAT POINT. Expecting 2 out of 4 lottery picks to become very good players isn't unreasonable at all, especially when at least two of those picks would be in the Top 5. That's par for the course, and you have a decent chance that one of them becomes a superstar.

Now flip that around...you sign two max free agents first, and then how do you fill out the team? If Dwight leaves, who exactly are the stud muffins that you're gonna be signing to make this team a title contender sooner than my plan? Carmelo Anthony in '14 and Marc Gasol in '15? How about Dwyane Wade in '14 and LaMarcus Aldridge in '15? Then you have $20M left and 10 roster spaces to fill. Nowhere even close to a title. Meanwhile, you're picking 12th-15th in 2014 because you didn't tank, you lose your draft pick in '15, pick 18th-20th in '16, and lose your draft pick in '17.

So you end up with a squad built around something like Rajon Rondo, Kevin Love, & 2 picks in the teens over the next 4 years = CHAMPIONSHIP

I never said that we need to entirely rely on the draft...I'm saying that we can't completely ignore it. We just need a couple of top notch, young ball players on rookie contracts, and THEN we can go out and sign a couple of max free agent kind of guys. Otherwise we'd have to hit an enormous home run with a draft pick in the teens...a guy who's really good right away...which happens incredibly rarely.

Lastly, Kobe was acquired through the draft. C'mon now. And as it pertains to this discussion, we traded an existing asset (Vlade) in exchange for a very talented draft choice...which is exactly what I'm proposing we do now.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 29, 2013 at 10:13 PM ]
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
What a lame post on your part. lol


They were both drafted by one team and traded to another before ever playing for their original team. Their situations are almost identical, as far as how they ended up on their teams. lol

There was no trade agreed to before picking Eli. No other team told the Chargers who to pick. Also the NBA requires draft day trades to not be official yet so the team that trades the pick is announced as drafting them, unlike the NFL.

You're a fool if you think there was zero discussion between the chargers and the giants before the draft. And no matter what the hornets and the Lakers agreed upon predraft, the whole plan woulda been out the window if another team picked Kobe.

Either way, you're completely wrong here. So please, continue to sound like a know-it-all that's 100% wrong.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
You just agreed with reign. lol


It would be just as incorrect to say Eli was drafted by the giants.


I know and then he completely s**ts on it
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
We don't need 2 out of 4 lottery picks to become superstars. We just need them to become very good players BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ROOM TO SIGN TWO SUPERSTAR FREE AGENTS AT THAT POINT. Expecting 2 out of 4 lottery picks to become very good players isn't unreasonable at all, especially when at least two of those picks would be in the Top 5. That's par for the course, and you have a decent chance that one of them becomes a superstar.

Now flip that around...you sign two max free agents first, and then how do you fill out the team? If Dwight leaves, who exactly are the stud muffins that you're gonna be signing to make this team a title contender sooner than my plan? Carmelo Anthony in '14 and Marc Gasol in '15? How about Dwyane Wade in '14 and LaMarcus Aldridge in '15? Then you have $20M left and 10 roster spaces to fill. Nowhere even close to a title. Meanwhile, you're picking 12th-15th in 2014 because you didn't tank, you lose your draft pick in '15, pick 18th-20th in '16, and lose your draft pick in '17.

So you end up with a squad built around something like Rajon Rondo, Kevin Love, & 2 picks in the teens over the next 4 years = CHAMPIONSHIP

I never said that we need to entirely rely on the draft...I'm saying that we can't completely ignore it. We just need a couple of top notch, young ball players on rookie contracts, and THEN we can go out and sign a couple of max free agent kind of guys. Otherwise we'd have to hit an enormous home run with a draft pick in the teens...a guy who's really good right away...which happens incredibly rarely.

Lastly, Kobe was acquired through the draft. C'mon now. And as it pertains to this discussion, we traded an existing asset (Vlade) in exchange for a very talented draft choice...which is exactly what I'm proposing we do now.


I understand now I still love you

Now if you keep bringing up trading Kobe

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
You're a fool if you think there was zero discussion between the chargers and the giants before the draft. And no matter what the hornets and the Lakers agreed upon predraft, the whole plan woulda been out the window if another team picked Kobe.

Either way, you're completely wrong here. So please, continue to sound like a know-it-all that's 100% wrong.

There's a significant difference between "having discussion" on a trade and agreeing to a trade in principal and picking for another team. San Diego selected Eli Manning with the intention of him playing for the Chargers. Charlotte selected Kobe Bryant with the intention of him playing for the Lakers.

Not sure what the bolded has to do with anything. Couldn't you say that about any plan to acquire a particular player in a draft? If you're selecting #2 and you really like a guy, but #1 takes him, you gotta go in a different direction.

Saying that Kobe wasn't acquired through the draft is splitting hairs in this discussion. I'm advocating that the Lakers trade existing assets for a draft pick. That's what we did to get Kobe. Whether they do that before the draft or acquire a guy's draft rights 5 minutes after he's taken doesn't matter one bit.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 30, 2013 at 8:47 AM ]
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