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The Soccer Thread 12/13

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Originally posted by 49erha:
Bayern is now the most valuable team in the sports world!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/29/news/bayern-munich-brand-value/

Basically they will now have more money then ever to spend, also they are still growing. Very impressive since the bundesliga does not have monster tv contracts like the prem and to a lesser extant la liga

Bayern Munich president Hoeness has revealed that Pep Guardiola asked the club to sign Neymar prior to the Bundesliga champions' move to sign Mario Gotze from Borussia Dortmund.

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Pep will soon realize that he can not get whoever he wants at Bayern. Top 3 choices for the very top players are usually ManU, Real, or Barca...and with clubs like ManCity, PSG and Monaco throwing money around - plenty of players will go there to get paid rather than Bundesliga. Bayern will still get plenty of guys, but not their top choices.

Also, being most valuable doesn't mean you have more cash to spend. Good for Bayern though...they have been excellent for a while now.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by 49erha:
Bayern is now the most valuable team in the sports world!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/29/news/bayern-munich-brand-value/

Basically they will now have more money then ever to spend, also they are still growing. Very impressive since the bundesliga does not have monster tv contracts like the prem and to a lesser extant la liga

Bayern Munich president Hoeness has revealed that Pep Guardiola asked the club to sign Neymar prior to the Bundesliga champions' move to sign Mario Gotze from Borussia Dortmund.

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Pep will soon realize that he can not get whoever he wants at Bayern. Top 3 choices for the very top players are usually ManU, Real, or Barca...and with clubs like ManCity, PSG and Monaco throwing money around - plenty of players will go there to get paid rather than Bundesliga. Bayern will still get plenty of guys, but not their top choices.

Also, being most valuable doesn't mean you have more cash to spend. Good for Bayern though...they have been excellent for a while now.

Oh I know that it doesn't mean they will have more cash because they are the most valued, they will have more cash because they are growing business wise, they are becoming more known around the world, the bundesliga is getting more exposure. My point is that things have never looked brighter for them, and really German soccer for that matter.
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Anyone watching the usmnt right now? They are absolutely getting their assets kicked all over the field right now by Belgium. I knew they would lose cause Belgium is a good team but 4-1 right now. Ouch.
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Originally posted by 49erha:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by 49erha:
Bayern is now the most valuable team in the sports world!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/29/news/bayern-munich-brand-value/

Basically they will now have more money then ever to spend, also they are still growing. Very impressive since the bundesliga does not have monster tv contracts like the prem and to a lesser extant la liga

Bayern Munich president Hoeness has revealed that Pep Guardiola asked the club to sign Neymar prior to the Bundesliga champions' move to sign Mario Gotze from Borussia Dortmund.

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Pep will soon realize that he can not get whoever he wants at Bayern. Top 3 choices for the very top players are usually ManU, Real, or Barca...and with clubs like ManCity, PSG and Monaco throwing money around - plenty of players will go there to get paid rather than Bundesliga. Bayern will still get plenty of guys, but not their top choices.

Also, being most valuable doesn't mean you have more cash to spend. Good for Bayern though...they have been excellent for a while now.

Oh I know that it doesn't mean they will have more cash because they are the most valued, they will have more cash because they are growing business wise, they are becoming more known around the world, the bundesliga is getting more exposure. My point is that things have never looked brighter for them, and really German soccer for that matter.

Gotcha. No argument there.
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Originally posted by NickV:
Anyone watching the usmnt right now? They are absolutely getting their assets kicked all over the field right now by Belgium. I knew they would lose cause Belgium is a good team but 4-1 right now. Ouch.

I didn't watch it, but heard that it was a very poor effort from the defense.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by kunged:
I'm not saying Barca should look to change their style, just that they need the option to change styles should they need to. They need a poacher/strong aerial threat, Lewandowski would offer them that as well as being able to play in their current style. I feel he would just offer them more versatility.

Anyway, I think they should be looking to address other areas of their team rather then focusing on their attack. Though you are right that they still have a lot of time to go out and reinforce their defence

Time will tell for Neymar, from what I have seen, when he has played top quality opposition he hasn't looked nearly as good as when he plays in Brazil. That isn't to say he won't be good, I just don't think he will be as good as everyone has said he will be, i.e. next "big thing"

Ahh...ok, yea, I agree with that. Barca needs an aerial threat. But, I love the idea of Neymar and Messi playin' together. He's 21 and was the biggest name in the league he played in and I feel he had no real incentive to get better. La Liga is a big jump and from everything I read, he loves football, he works hard and we've seen that he has all the skill-set to be a great one...so now it's a matter of putting it all together and rise up to the challenge he will face in Europe. It's hard to predict how good he really will be at this point...I think we both be guessing.

Originally posted by kunged:
I'd say that Lewandowski is argueably the best out and out striker in the world right now. IMO defensive rankings for the top European leagues look something like Serie A<La Lia<Budesliga<Premiership (there is a strong argument you could switch the Bundesliga and the Premiersip).

The Champions League is a level above them all and Lewandowski has proved himself in the toughest club competition in the world, so IMO that makes him one the best, if not the best, strikers in the world.

Lewa is great...but not the best striker in the World. You make solid arguments, but I've always believed, success in one or two seasons is great but doesn't put you among the best. You have to do it for few years. Lewa is on his way though.

Agree with you about the first bit.

In regards to the second bit I see where you are coming from, but I would argue the fact that he has performed phenominally well over the last two seasons is a pretty good indicator, bear in mind he is only 24.

Right now I struggle to think of a Striker I would choose over him in either a one-off game or if I was picking a team for the future. You could say Van Persie, but I think Lewandowski offers a little more, maybe Falcao, but I refer you to my earlier arguments about performing against some of the best defences. Yes Falcao has an incredible record of scoring, but as an entire league I am not that big a fan of La Liga. Having said all of that I wouldn't begrudge you any of those players, they are all top strikers
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Originally posted by NinerAce:
And it did not cost what people were thinking it would. Barca paid 25 million + 2 friendlies against Santos. Silva wants to play for Barca, Si hopefully it happens.

The deal was great. Real offered more to Santos and to Neymar...but he picked Barca. I really hope Sanchez stays. He is playing very well now and much of the focus of defense will be on Messi and Neymar next year - he can truly use his speed and excel at Camp Nou.

I'd love to get Silva on the team. Hummels will be great too. Villa will be sent to EPL and wouldn't shock me if Dani is sent packing somewhere too (time for Montoya to start). Rumors are deal with Reina is close and Barca is going hard after Stegen as well.

According to Sport.es, Barca has decided to go for David Luiz since Thiago Silva's signing is too difficult and would not fit with Barcelona's salary hierarchy (whatever that means). They also said that the signing might depend on whether Mourinho is willing to let Luiz go once he signs with Chelsea.

Personally I like the signing if it happens. Would have preferred Silva but think that Luiz will fit in nicely as well and he bring some of the same characteristics that Silva has.
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Originally posted by NinerAce:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by NinerAce:
And it did not cost what people were thinking it would. Barca paid 25 million + 2 friendlies against Santos. Silva wants to play for Barca, Si hopefully it happens.

The deal was great. Real offered more to Santos and to Neymar...but he picked Barca. I really hope Sanchez stays. He is playing very well now and much of the focus of defense will be on Messi and Neymar next year - he can truly use his speed and excel at Camp Nou.

I'd love to get Silva on the team. Hummels will be great too. Villa will be sent to EPL and wouldn't shock me if Dani is sent packing somewhere too (time for Montoya to start). Rumors are deal with Reina is close and Barca is going hard after Stegen as well.

According to Sport.es, Barca has decided to go for David Luiz since Thiago Silva's signing is too difficult and would not fit with Barcelona's salary hierarchy (whatever that means). They also said that the signing might depend on whether Mourinho is willing to let Luiz go once he signs with Chelsea.

Personally I like the signing if it happens. Would have preferred Silva but think that Luiz will fit in nicely as well and he bring some of the same characteristics that Silva has.

I'd be more than fine with Luiz. He's young and has a good combination of speed and power. @ Mourinho letting him go...I'm not sure anyone at Barca management thinks he'll do that for a fair price.

Btw...looks like Real is close to signing Heynckes as their manager. I'm pretty sure couple of main Bayern Munich players will follow him this summer or next one. Real will throw huge money around to get those guys. Should be interesting how Bayern deals with that.
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Originally posted by kunged:
Of those I would take Lewandowski, especially for a team like Barca. The man is a complete forward, he would also offer Barca a different style of attack should they need it, he can mix it up in the air or as a playmaker with the ball on the ground.

In regards to the best defensive league in the world I would say the Premiership and, to a lesser extent, the Bundesliga offer stronger defences than Serie A - when I say that I mean across the whole league rather than the top few teams.

I'd have to disagree on your defensive rankings. Theres a s**tload of high scoring games in the rest of the leagues, while in Serie A it mostly stays low.

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Zlatan is known to have big ego and I don't understand how his word should be taken more seriously over than so many other players who have said he is the most humble player they have met. That's not just his team-mates, but the players he has played against. Plus, it was Pep's decision to keep Messi as the center-piece of attack over Zlatan. Zlatan obviously failed to make an impact at Barca because he was doing something he wasn't comfortable with and couldn't adjust. Pep shipped him out and he blamed Pep and Messi for his failures.

IMO, Falcao is better and the price to get him will prove that. He has higher value than all of the guys you mentioned. Of course, that doesn't mean Cavani is not damn good. Cavani is awesome, but he lacks the speed of other great strikers...which does limit him in certain situations. I like Lewa too...he's awesome but right now Falcao is near the top of the list of best strikers.

Yeah, I do remember a game in the league around the time that Barca was gonna face Arsenal in the CL that season where Barca got a PK and Messi handed the ball to Zlatan. This was when Zlatan was having a goal drought.
somebody clear this up for me please.

im a sporadic soccer fan, ill watch the big games if their on tv, and i understand the sport since i grew up playing it.

one thing i never got though, what stops a team from not selling a certain player? im always seeing top quality players getting sold , especially if a team wants them. from what i see, it doesnt work like baskeball, football, baseball...you wouldn't see the lakers or yankees selling their best players every year just to get some cash. now i realize some players to stay with their clubs for a long time (messi, lampard, rooney), but for the most past that's not the case. even great players like c. ronaldo get shipped around..so what gives?
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Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
somebody clear this up for me please.

im a sporadic soccer fan, ill watch the big games if their on tv, and i understand the sport since i grew up playing it.

one thing i never got though, what stops a team from not selling a certain player? im always seeing top quality players getting sold , especially if a team wants them. from what i see, it doesnt work like baskeball, football, baseball...you wouldn't see the lakers or yankees selling their best players every year just to get some cash. now i realize some players to stay with their clubs for a long time (messi, lampard, rooney), but for the most past that's not the case. even great players like c. ronaldo get shipped around..so what gives?

A team does not have to sell a player if they don't want to. Clubs do sell a player if he asks the management.

The thinking is simple. If a player wants to be somewhere else, he can't perform at the highest level with the current club. Other players will also feel that and there will be too much animosity in the dressing room.

Let's take Neymar's case for example. He wanted to play for Barca and no one else. His contract with Santos was expiring next summer. Santos tried to renew him for 4 more years (so they have better leverage when negotiating with Barca). He refused and they were scared of losing him for free next summer to Barca. So, they decided to trade him in the last year of the deal to a team Neymar will sign a contract with. Once two clubs agree on a fee, then the player involved and the new club have to come to an agreement on a contract as well...so Santos couldn't have just sold Neymar to the highest bidder.

So, some teams know that their best player will eventually end up at one of the top clubs (ManU, Chelsea, Bayern, Milan, Inter, Juve, Real, Barca etc.) and they are better off selling him when he is under contract. You saw similar thing happen with Carmelo and Dwight Howard...difference being in American sports players are traded for draft picks (no drafts in soccer) and other players.
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Originally posted by 1251alex:
I'd have to disagree on your defensive rankings. Theres a s**tload of high scoring games in the rest of the leagues, while in Serie A it mostly stays low.


Yeah, I do remember a game in the league around the time that Barca was gonna face Arsenal in the CL that season where Barca got a PK and Messi handed the ball to Zlatan. This was when Zlatan was having a goal drought.

Serie A defense is the best and I don't think it's all that close. You can take a look at the international sides as well. Italian defense is on a level by itself.

The whole Zlatan thing was unfortunate. It was clear he was a bad fit from the beginning. I can understand his frustration because he wasn't given a fair shot to succeed...but as a top player - you have to adjust and it seemed he didn't even try. He didn't give his best on the pitch...and he clashed with Pep often according the rumors...which led to his transfer. Ibra blamed everyone but himself for his failure. I do feel bad for the guy. It was Pep's mistake to bring him to Barca.

That's why I disagree with Kunged who feels Barca needs a big strong guy who can add a different dimension to their offense. They don't...that's exactly why they brought Ibra. It failed because having 1 such guy can't add a different dimension but can screw up what you already have. This is why Neymar is a perfect choice, because he is used to playing a similar style and excels on the left side and will never want to play at Messi's position.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
somebody clear this up for me please.

im a sporadic soccer fan, ill watch the big games if their on tv, and i understand the sport since i grew up playing it.

one thing i never got though, what stops a team from not selling a certain player? im always seeing top quality players getting sold , especially if a team wants them. from what i see, it doesnt work like baskeball, football, baseball...you wouldn't see the lakers or yankees selling their best players every year just to get some cash. now i realize some players to stay with their clubs for a long time (messi, lampard, rooney), but for the most past that's not the case. even great players like c. ronaldo get shipped around..so what gives?

Depends on the situation, sometimes their is a clause in the contract that if a team is willing to pay a certain amount they can trigger the release clause.(gotze) Sometimes it's a players dream to play for a team like barca or real.(Ronaldo, neymar) Sometimes another team makes an offer too good to pass up.(Falco)And sometimes like in baseball a players contract is about to end so the team is looking to sell him cause they cannot retain him( see lewandoski)
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Originally posted by 49erha:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
somebody clear this up for me please.

im a sporadic soccer fan, ill watch the big games if their on tv, and i understand the sport since i grew up playing it.

one thing i never got though, what stops a team from not selling a certain player? im always seeing top quality players getting sold , especially if a team wants them. from what i see, it doesnt work like baskeball, football, baseball...you wouldn't see the lakers or yankees selling their best players every year just to get some cash. now i realize some players to stay with their clubs for a long time (messi, lampard, rooney), but for the most past that's not the case. even great players like c. ronaldo get shipped around..so what gives?

Depends on the situation, sometimes their is a clause in the contract that if a team is willing to pay a certain amount they can trigger the release clause.(gotze) Sometimes it's a players dream to play for a team like barca or real.(Ronaldo, neymar) Sometimes another team makes an offer too good to pass up.(Falco)And sometimes like in baseball a players contract is about to end so the team is looking to sell him cause they cannot retain him( see lewandoski)

Both spot on. My club (benfica) was run through the mud by a really shady president in the 90s and developed a bunch of debt. When our new president was hired in the early 2000s the plan to help eliminate the debt was to develop or buy young players and sell them for a large amounts of cash.

Just recently the past few years the players that have left Benfica have been : David Luiz, Ramires, Angel Di Maria, Fábio Coentráo, Axel Witsel and Javi Garcia. Just selling those players alone raised over 200 million euros to eliminate the debt.

So thats another reason why teams sell. Not only to help raise money but to pay back what they owe.
Can anyone tell me how soccer shirts run? I lost quite a bit of weight and I'm trying to get a new Real Madrid shirt. I'm like 190 6'0.