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2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Great start tonight for 20 year-old Adalberto Mejia in San Jose. 6 innings, 1 earned run, 6 hits, 7Ks and only 1 walk. The only run was a HR in the 6th inning off a really good pitch (below the strike zone) that the batter reached down and poked just over the left-center field fence. The other hits were 4 bloops and a bunt single.

Kickham with a nice bounce-back start tonight in Fresno too, going 6.2 innings before giving up a hit to the Ranger's AAA affiliate.

Is Mejia projected in the bullpen?

Pretty much all decent pitching prospects are SP hopefuls. Converting to the pen is for when it looks like you just cant hack it as a starter. Hembree is an exception, but I think the Giants expect most of their top pitching prospects to be starters.

Not always. We have a handful of college guys that are considered decent pitching prospects (Dunning, Osich, Bandilla, Cody Hall, Derek Law, Daniel Slania, Chris Marlowe, etc.) that are purely bullpen prospects. Projectabilty as a starter comes into play when you're under age for your league and you're still dominating hitters with either amazing stuff (Crick) or 3-4 quality pitches you can command and control (Mejia, Escobar and Blackburn). That sets you apart from the Eric Surkamps, Chris Hestons, Ty Blachs and even Mike Kickhams of the world.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Garcia:
is it too soon for Pill the Thrill?

Yes.

Players usually get called up when theyre hot, and we're playing in a hitters park right now. Its not surprising that Pill has been hitting. Its common to see a player get called up, make an impact for a week or 2, and then cool off and remind everyone why they were at Fresno all season. We saw it with Perez earlier this year.

Pill is almost 29, and has already proven several times that he cant maintain production in the Majors. I really hope Bochy doesnt take a bunch of playing time away from Belt to play Pill. I like the guy, but his AB's are wasted in a lost season. We need to be using this 2nd half as an opportunity to get some promising young players some Major League AB's.

Pill will go cold and be sent back down, then called back up when rosters expand as a bench player.

Agree with almost everything you said, other than Pills ABs being a waste. He could actually be a very solid bat off the bench (something we haven't had for years here) and spot starter at 1st, and it doesn't hurt to help him build confidence for that role. You also can't say that he hasn't been able to maintain production at the majors when he's only had one other stretch this year when he's started more than one game back-to-back. SSS to make that kind of claim.

Not to mention, getting hot early then cooling down happens to most prospects when they get called up. The league figures them out after a few weeks or so, then it's up to the player to adjust...if they get the opportunity to adjust (which on this team, doesn't happen often).

Bottom line though, Belt is our starter and he's got all the talent in the world. He just needs to pull his head out of his arse and start being more consistent at the plate.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Aug 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Garcia:
is it too soon for Pill the Thrill?

Yes.

Players usually get called up when theyre hot, and we're playing in a hitters park right now. Its not surprising that Pill has been hitting. Its common to see a player get called up, make an impact for a week or 2, and then cool off and remind everyone why they were at Fresno all season. We saw it with Perez earlier this year.

Pill is almost 29, and has already proven several times that he cant maintain production in the Majors. I really hope Bochy doesnt take a bunch of playing time away from Belt to play Pill. I like the guy, but his AB's are wasted in a lost season. We need to be using this 2nd half as an opportunity to get some promising young players some Major League AB's.

Pill will go cold and be sent back down, then called back up when rosters expand as a bench player.

Agree with almost everything you said, other than Pills ABs being a waste. He could actually be a very solid bat off the bench (something we haven't had for years here) and spot starter at 1st, and it doesn't hurt to help him build confidence for that role. You also can't say that he hasn't been able to maintain production at the majors when he's only had one other stretch this year when he's started more than one game back-to-back. SSS to make that kind of claim.

Bottom line though, Belt is our starter and he's got all the talent in the world. He just needs to pull his head out of his arse and start being more consistent at the plate.

Does he though? I agree that he should be starting and getting as many at bats as possible. It could be, though, that the Giants and their fans have overrated Belt's ability. Maybe he is just a headcase that will never completely get it. Clearly the Giants need better production out of 1B though
Happy Birthday, Madison Bumgarner!
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Garcia:
is it too soon for Pill the Thrill?

Yes.

Players usually get called up when theyre hot, and we're playing in a hitters park right now. Its not surprising that Pill has been hitting. Its common to see a player get called up, make an impact for a week or 2, and then cool off and remind everyone why they were at Fresno all season. We saw it with Perez earlier this year.

Pill is almost 29, and has already proven several times that he cant maintain production in the Majors. I really hope Bochy doesnt take a bunch of playing time away from Belt to play Pill. I like the guy, but his AB's are wasted in a lost season. We need to be using this 2nd half as an opportunity to get some promising young players some Major League AB's.

Pill will go cold and be sent back down, then called back up when rosters expand as a bench player.

Agree with almost everything you said, other than Pills ABs being a waste. He could actually be a very solid bat off the bench (something we haven't had for years here) and spot starter at 1st, and it doesn't hurt to help him build confidence for that role. You also can't say that he hasn't been able to maintain production at the majors when he's only had one other stretch this year when he's started more than one game back-to-back. SSS to make that kind of claim.

Bottom line though, Belt is our starter and he's got all the talent in the world. He just needs to pull his head out of his arse and start being more consistent at the plate.

Does he though? I agree that he should be starting and getting as many at bats as possible. It could be, though, that the Giants and their fans have overrated Belt's ability. Maybe he is just a headcase that will never completely get it. Clearly the Giants need better production out of 1B though

Though it's a possibility he's been overrated, I suspect it's more about him not being ready for prime-time just yet both mentally and mechanically. In general, I agree with the notion of giving a guy as many ABs as possible to help him work out his issues, but Belt seems to be a different beast in that respect. It seems the more ABs he gets when he's going bad, the WORSE it gets for him. That points to more of a mental issue (lack of confidence, over-thinking, etc.) and the inexperience of being able to handle pressure as opposed to lack of talent.

99 has said before that he was rushed through the system and not given enough time to develop...I think that's been the biggest issue with him so far.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Aug 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Garcia:
is it too soon for Pill the Thrill?

Yes.

Players usually get called up when theyre hot, and we're playing in a hitters park right now. Its not surprising that Pill has been hitting. Its common to see a player get called up, make an impact for a week or 2, and then cool off and remind everyone why they were at Fresno all season. We saw it with Perez earlier this year.

Pill is almost 29, and has already proven several times that he cant maintain production in the Majors. I really hope Bochy doesnt take a bunch of playing time away from Belt to play Pill. I like the guy, but his AB's are wasted in a lost season. We need to be using this 2nd half as an opportunity to get some promising young players some Major League AB's.

Pill will go cold and be sent back down, then called back up when rosters expand as a bench player.

Agree with almost everything you said, other than Pills ABs being a waste. He could actually be a very solid bat off the bench (something we haven't had for years here) and spot starter at 1st, and it doesn't hurt to help him build confidence for that role. You also can't say that he hasn't been able to maintain production at the majors when he's only had one other stretch this year when he's started more than one game back-to-back. SSS to make that kind of claim.

Bottom line though, Belt is our starter and he's got all the talent in the world. He just needs to pull his head out of his arse and start being more consistent at the plate.

Does he though? I agree that he should be starting and getting as many at bats as possible. It could be, though, that the Giants and their fans have overrated Belt's ability. Maybe he is just a headcase that will never completely get it. Clearly the Giants need better production out of 1B though

Though it's a possibility he's been overrated, I suspect it's more about him not being ready for prime-time just yet both mentally and mechanically. In general, I agree with the notion of giving a guy as many ABs as possible to help him work out his issues, but Belt seems to be a different beast in that respect. It seems the more ABs he gets when he's going bad, the WORSE it gets for him. That points to more of a mental issue (lack of confidence, over-thinking, etc.) and the inexperience of being able to handle pressure as opposed to lack of talent.

99 has said before that he was rushed through the system and not given enough time to develop...I think that's been the biggest issue with him so far.

I was hoping that Belt would be the hitter that Freddie Freeman is. Now, I think he is more like Mitch Moreland.
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.
Originally posted by boast:
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.

Just saw that, PRAISE JEEBUS. If he got anywhere near 200 IP to vest his option I would have shot someone.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by boast:
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.

Just saw that, PRAISE JEEBUS. If he got anywhere near 200 IP to vest his option I would have shot someone.

Not a chance they would ever let that happen.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by boast:
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.

Just saw that, PRAISE JEEBUS. If he got anywhere near 200 IP to vest his option I would have shot someone.

Not a chance they would ever let that happen.

Cant believe Zito's bloated contract is almost gone from this franchise.
Originally posted by boast:
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.

Not comparing Belt to Chris Davis in terms of talent (VERY different type of hitter), but the career trajectory might be similar. Immense talent and occasional wow-factor production, but his biggest enemy was himself (lack of confidence, lack of experience and a major hole in his swing). That lead to major inconsistencies at the plate for his first 4 years. Wasn't until year 5 at the age of 26 that the light turned on for Davis.

Belt will never put up Davis-like numbers playing at AT&T, but I think he'll figure things out next year or the year after and turn into a more consistent run-producer. Problem is, if he doesn't turn it around next year, I think he gets shipped out. And in a smaller ballpark with a warmer climate, he could put up some very impressive numbers.
Originally posted by DaManRathman:
Originally posted by boast:
CSNBaggs: #SFGiants are listing Bumgarner, Lincecum ... And TBA for Tampa series. We might have seem Barry Zito's last start as a Giant.



Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Not comparing Belt to Chris Davis in terms of talent (VERY different type of hitter), but the career trajectory might be similar. Immense talent and occasional wow-factor production, but his biggest enemy was himself (lack of confidence, lack of experience and a major hole in his swing). That lead to major inconsistencies at the plate for his first 4 years. Wasn't until year 5 at the age of 26 that the light turned on for Davis.

Belt will never put up Davis-like numbers playing at AT&T, but I think he'll figure things out next year or the year after and turn into a more consistent run-producer. Problem is, if he doesn't turn it around next year, I think he gets shipped out. And in a smaller ballpark with a warmer climate, he could put up some very impressive numbers.

Definitely agree with all of the above. That and the fact that the Giants have proven to not be able to groom any young hitters not named Posey.

He has 20-30 HR/year power but he needs to adapt to the strike zone that he's given. I think a lot of his issues this year come from not protecting and adjusting his two strike approach. I've seen a lot of his looking K's come from balls that are typically out of the strike zone. He also then starts to chase if he thinks the ump is calling inside or outside strikes.

It's disconcerting that he hasn't improved as much as everyone imagined he would with consistent AB's (which he's still not getting) but his production at 1B is not the reason we've had such a bad year.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

lol. great gif.
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