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Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.


i bet next year, you won't remember who won these awards. They're so irreverent that it doesn't matter who gets screwed and who won.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Crick pitched tonight in SJ and gave up no hits, no runs, 6 Ks and 5 BBs in 5 IP. He was dominating until the 5th when he walked the bases loaded, but was able to get out of it. That's back-to-back 5 inning starts with no runs allowed and only 1 hit in 10 innings. The only downside is that his fastball has been in the 94-96 range whereas in the past starts he was pretty consistently in the 97-98 range. He's also struggled getting his breaking pitches over for strikes lately, relying almost exclusively on the fastball. And even though he has 10 Ks in those 10 innings, he also has 10 walks.

Bottom line though it's been 2 dominating starts in a row with less than his best stuff, and the Cal League is hitting .178 against him.

Who would you compare him to?

Id say he compares to Matt Cain, but with a little more heat on his fastball, and a little less control.

Mechanics can affect velocity, so being down to 95-96 is probably just shaking off rust.

It has to be mechanics because I haven't seen him struggle with control this much all year. But it again, it wasn't so much the fastball that he couldn't control, it was the breaking pitches....just didn't have a feel for them the last two starts.

He actually reminds me a lot of Zach Wheeler with a little more control and more of an ability to get out of trouble. There stuff is pretty equal, but Wheeler seemed to give up the big hit that brought in runs, while Crick has a knack for making the big pitch when needed. So in that sense, I can see the Matt Cain comparison as well.
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.


i bet next year, you won't remember who won these awards. They're so irreverent that it doesn't matter who gets screwed and who won.

And irrelevant too.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
And irrelevant too.


I don't give no fuccs on spelling.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Crick pitched tonight in SJ and gave up no hits, no runs, 6 Ks and 5 BBs in 5 IP. He was dominating until the 5th when he walked the bases loaded, but was able to get out of it. That's back-to-back 5 inning starts with no runs allowed and only 1 hit in 10 innings. The only downside is that his fastball has been in the 94-96 range whereas in the past starts he was pretty consistently in the 97-98 range. He's also struggled getting his breaking pitches over for strikes lately, relying almost exclusively on the fastball. And even though he has 10 Ks in those 10 innings, he also has 10 walks.

Bottom line though it's been 2 dominating starts in a row with less than his best stuff, and the Cal League is hitting .178 against him.

Who would you compare him to?

Id say he compares to Matt Cain, but with a little more heat on his fastball, and a little less control.

Mechanics can affect velocity, so being down to 95-96 is probably just shaking off rust.

It has to be mechanics because I haven't seen him struggle with control this much all year. But it again, it wasn't so much the fastball that he couldn't control, it was the breaking pitches....just didn't have a feel for them the last two starts.

He actually reminds me a lot of Zach Wheeler with a little more control and more of an ability to get out of trouble. There stuff is pretty equal, but Wheeler seemed to give up the big hit that brought in runs, while Crick has a knack for making the big pitch when needed. So in that sense, I can see the Matt Cain comparison as well.

I've heard the Matt Cain comparison as well, but not the Wheeler. I have only seen Wheeler pitch once, and that was highlights of his first start in sports center.

Who is your favorite prospect outside of Crick? Clayton Blackburn really intrigues me; I love guys with insane BB/K ratios, hence why MadBum is my favorite player.
[ Edited by OregonDuckNiner on Jul 18, 2013 at 10:42 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.

Pretty sure it could be argued either way. Yes, what AP accomplished was awesome but what John is getting at is Buster was one year removed from destroying his ankle and damaging ligaments. He plays arguably one of the more physically demanding spots on the diamond as he's in a crouch for 135+ games a year. For him to come back and lead his team to its second world series in three years after a season-ending injury is pretty f**king remarkable.
[ Edited by itlynstalyn on Jul 18, 2013 at 12:02 PM ]
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.

Pretty sure it could be argued either way. Yes, what AP accomplished was awesome but what John is getting at is Buster was one year removed from destroying his ankle and damaging ligaments. He plays arguably one of the more physically demanding spots on the diamond as he's in a crouch for 135+ games a year. For him to come back and lead his team to its second world series in three years after a season-ending injury is pretty f**king remarkable.

It was 99's comment not mine. I agree with you. It could have gone either way as both guys made incredible comebacks from horrible injuries and had remarkable seasons. I wouldnt say Buster got screwed though.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.

Pretty sure it could be argued either way. Yes, what AP accomplished was awesome but what John is getting at is Buster was one year removed from destroying his ankle and damaging ligaments. He plays arguably one of the more physically demanding spots on the diamond as he's in a crouch for 135+ games a year. For him to come back and lead his team to its second world series in three years after a season-ending injury is pretty f**king remarkable.

the argument of which is the more physically demanding position to play: catcher in MLB or running back in the NFL
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Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.

Pretty sure it could be argued either way. Yes, what AP accomplished was awesome but what John is getting at is Buster was one year removed from destroying his ankle and damaging ligaments. He plays arguably one of the more physically demanding spots on the diamond as he's in a crouch for 135+ games a year. For him to come back and lead his team to its second world series in three years after a season-ending injury is pretty f**king remarkable.

the argument of which is the more physically demanding position to play: catcher in MLB or running back in the NFL

I think the answer is obvious, but catcher is still incredibly demanding on the ankles and that is what he injured just like AP with his knee.

If Buster wasn't the NL MVP and won another World Series then I would have said AP wins no contest.
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Crick pitched tonight in SJ and gave up no hits, no runs, 6 Ks and 5 BBs in 5 IP. He was dominating until the 5th when he walked the bases loaded, but was able to get out of it. That's back-to-back 5 inning starts with no runs allowed and only 1 hit in 10 innings. The only downside is that his fastball has been in the 94-96 range whereas in the past starts he was pretty consistently in the 97-98 range. He's also struggled getting his breaking pitches over for strikes lately, relying almost exclusively on the fastball. And even though he has 10 Ks in those 10 innings, he also has 10 walks.

Bottom line though it's been 2 dominating starts in a row with less than his best stuff, and the Cal League is hitting .178 against him.

Who would you compare him to?

Id say he compares to Matt Cain, but with a little more heat on his fastball, and a little less control.

Mechanics can affect velocity, so being down to 95-96 is probably just shaking off rust.

It has to be mechanics because I haven't seen him struggle with control this much all year. But it again, it wasn't so much the fastball that he couldn't control, it was the breaking pitches....just didn't have a feel for them the last two starts.

He actually reminds me a lot of Zach Wheeler with a little more control and more of an ability to get out of trouble. There stuff is pretty equal, but Wheeler seemed to give up the big hit that brought in runs, while Crick has a knack for making the big pitch when needed. So in that sense, I can see the Matt Cain comparison as well.

I've heard the Matt Cain comparison as well, but not the Wheeler. I have only seen Wheeler pitch once, and that was highlights of his first start in sports center.

Who is your favorite prospect outside of Crick? Clayton Blackburn really intrigues me; I love guys with insane BB/K ratios, hence why MadBum is my favorite player.

I prefer Edwin Escobar over Blackburn, but they're both really promising. Right behind those two I'd put Ty Blach, Martin Agosta then Chase Johnson (though it's really early for him and he might eventually end up back in the bullpen when it's all said and done).
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Baseball related things I took away from the ESPY's...

1. The Giants got screwed. The Heat winning best team? They were the preseason favorites, and just had to beat a geriatric Spurs. The Giants came back from the brink of elimination TWICE, and then swept a team nobody gave them a chance against.

2. Yasiel Puig is becoming ridiculously overrated. A hot first month in the Majors, and he was up for "Best Breakout Athlete"? Then they have him up there presenting even though he barely speaks English.

3. Buster Posey got screwed. Best Comeback went to AP, who's rebound was just as dramatic and difficult...Except the Vikings didnt do crap in the playoffs, and Posey led his team to a title.

I know the ESPY's are stupid, but it bugs me when the deserving players dont get recognized. Somehow I feel like if the Giants were still in New York, theyd have won both those awards.

LOL no. Peterson tore his ACL and MCL in late December, came back to start Game 1 of the next season only 8 months later and came 9 yards shy of breaking the single season rushing record. That is the most incredible come back story possibly ever, all while playing the most physically demanding sport. Buster is a great story but he plays baseball, except for pitchers comebacks from injury are not as amazing as football players coming back from knee injuries.

Pretty sure it could be argued either way. Yes, what AP accomplished was awesome but what John is getting at is Buster was one year removed from destroying his ankle and damaging ligaments. He plays arguably one of the more physically demanding spots on the diamond as he's in a crouch for 135+ games a year. For him to come back and lead his team to its second world series in three years after a season-ending injury is pretty f**king remarkable.

It was 99's comment not mine. I agree with you. It could have gone either way as both guys made incredible comebacks from horrible injuries and had remarkable seasons. I wouldnt say Buster got screwed though.

Maybe "screwed" was too much. But I still think he deserved it a bit more. You cant just chalk it up to "AP plays football, and Posey plays baseball". Posey basically had his ankle broken and torn apart. bone damage AND ligament damage. His position is basically the equivalent of the QB. He leads the team on both offense and defense every day.

To spend all those innings crouching down, calling games, managing the staff, taking the abuse from balls in the dirt and foul tips, etc. Even if you just look at defense alone it was amazing. But then at the same time he was the cleanup hitter, won the NL batting title as a catcher (which hadnt been done in 70 years), won the NL MVP/Hank Aaron Award/SS, and lead the Giants to a World Series title.

What AP did was also impressive, and shows the great development of medical science on knee surgeries, but in my mind what Posey did was a miracle. More people wouldve bet on AP rushing for 2000 yards after his offseason knee surgery than Posey (as a catcher) becoming the MVP and leading his team to a title after he took a hit that easily couldve been career ending.

If Posey played for another team, id have the same opinion. For him to basically take that step from rookie of the year phenom to MVP with only a major injury in the middle is unheard of. AP was already probably the best RB in the game before he got hurt. Most Giants fans, even WITHOUT the injury, wouldnt have thought Posey would be an MVP at age 25.

I just think playing on the west coast in a sport thats just not as popular as the NFL is what cost him the award. Like I said, ESPY's dont matter, but aside from a little video montage, Posey's name was barely mentioned. I just think he deserves to be recognized more nationally for what he really accomplished, which was a remarkable feat.
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