Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by NinerJedi:
For some reason, this team has no heart. No fire. Getting swept by the Dodgers in unacceptable. Are they just all tired? Someone needs to wake these guys up. They are World Series Champions.
My guess is, they're paying the price mentally, physically and systemically for doing what it takes to win 2 out of the last 3 titles. That's no easy feat, and historically, maintaining that level of play over an extended period just isn't realistic especially when you're not nearly as talented as the other teams around you. Plus, a lot of things went right for them over the last few years, which is unusual because baseball is a game of failure.
Bottom line, everything/everyone eventually regresses toward the mean.
It factors in to a certain extent, but they all had an offseason to recharge. The pitchers being leaned on for 3+ years now may be catching up to them, but I dont think its a mental "hangover". They just have some weaknesses that are being exposed. Both in 2010 and 2012 you could argue that our seasons wouldve been deemed failures if a couple factors dont play out. In 2010 we relied on a Padres mega-collapse to come back, and even then we had to win the division on the final day. Add in the Brooks Conrad play, and 2010 couldve easily went the other way.
In 2012 a Scott Rolen error late in game 3 allowed a season saving win. This team was never a powerhouse, we just come up big in big situations. Weve been walking a thin line with the rotation all these years now. It finally bit us in the butt this year. Hopefully we can take advantage of a weak division and find that magic again in 2013.
Damn. I hate to agree with you again but................ I do. The Giants had everything possible go their way in 2010 and 2012. Great fortune, all the breaks, and clutch performances at the right time. It just doesnt happen for teams every year and this year it certainly isnt. They may still get the magic back and being in a weak division makes it possible to still make a run.
I dont think its a mental hangover but I do believe that the number of innings and pitches may have caught up to them. I was not happy when Vogelsong pitched in the WBC ( I remember a debate with Ghost on this) because it was too many high stress pitches too early in the year. I do think it was a factor in his slow start. Timmy has just lost a lot on his fastball (not to mention command) which I believe is related to the number of pitches over the years. Zito.. well other than the playoffs of last year he is what he is.
This is what they need............... Vogey comes back and pitches well, Giants trade for Norris, Gaudin and Timmy go to the pen to solidify things there, and Buster, Pence, and Panda have huge 2nd halfs to carry the team. Not too much to ask is it?