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2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think the next 3 weeks will decide if the Giants make a big trade for a pitcher. If Lincy and Zito continue to struggle and the Giants are still in the race I dont think there is any question that they will go after a starter. Bud Norris is the most likely guy.

I could see something like this going down........... Gary Brown and Chris Heston or Edwin Escobar for Norris. I would hope the Giants wouldnt deal Crick, Stratton, Agosta, or Blackburn but I wouldnt be shocked at any of them going either.

I wonder if they might want a guy like Angel Villalona instead. He's the perfect guy for that stadium and I don't believe they have anything in the pipeline in terms of a serious 1st base prospect. Who knows, that might've been what the Giants had in mind all along instead of just parting ways with him after the murder stuff....see if Angel could salvage his career to the point where he could be used as a trade piece.

Perhaps. But Chris Carter is just 26 years old and on pace to hit about 30 homers.
and for what its worth: Travis Wood >> Bud Norris
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think the next 3 weeks will decide if the Giants make a big trade for a pitcher. If Lincy and Zito continue to struggle and the Giants are still in the race I dont think there is any question that they will go after a starter. Bud Norris is the most likely guy.

I could see something like this going down........... Gary Brown and Chris Heston or Edwin Escobar for Norris. I would hope the Giants wouldnt deal Crick, Stratton, Agosta, or Blackburn but I wouldnt be shocked at any of them going either.

I'm tired of us trading away our type guys for not always a perfect deal. We need to save Gary Brown 1 more year

Well.. I hear you. This would not be like the infamous Wheeler for Beltran deal. Norris has a very cheap contract and is a proven major league starter that I would classify as a #3 or #4 guy in any rotation. Gary Brown is certainly a dilemma. If he gets it together and suddenly becomes what you hoped for then you would kick yourself for dealing him. If he sucks again next year then he has absolutley no trade value.

I would trade Gary Brown for Norris in a heartbeat, especially with the emergence of Perez (who might end up being about the same player as Brown is, but is more versatile and has a better arm).

Have to agree here with you Ghost. As I said, you might kick yourself if Brown suddenly gets it together but this would be a good deal for the Giants. With the possibility of losing 3 starters next year it would be sweet to get a cheap and effective guy like Bud Norris.
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
and for what its worth: Travis Wood >> Bud Norris

For 1/2 a season yes. Before 2013.. no way.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think the next 3 weeks will decide if the Giants make a big trade for a pitcher. If Lincy and Zito continue to struggle and the Giants are still in the race I dont think there is any question that they will go after a starter. Bud Norris is the most likely guy.

I could see something like this going down........... Gary Brown and Chris Heston or Edwin Escobar for Norris. I would hope the Giants wouldnt deal Crick, Stratton, Agosta, or Blackburn but I wouldnt be shocked at any of them going either.

I wonder if they might want a guy like Angel Villalona instead. He's the perfect guy for that stadium and I don't believe they have anything in the pipeline in terms of a serious 1st base prospect. Who knows, that might've been what the Giants had in mind all along instead of just parting ways with him after the murder stuff....see if Angel could salvage his career to the point where he could be used as a trade piece.

Perhaps. But Chris Carter is just 26 years old and on pace to hit about 30 homers.

Forgot about Carter, who btw, is almost the same type of player as Villalona with Angel being 4 years younger.
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
This is NOT what you were saying before. Nice to see you change your stance though. Obviously most of us want the Giants to opt out of the contract and offer him a $1 million dollar deal. What we dont want is to pay him $7 million up front and then pay him 7-8 per year like you wanted before. LOL at you reducing the following year now to 6M.

I didnt mean to come across that way. Never would give Zito 15m for a year... 6-7 mill would be OK. (only if we let timmy and vogey walk)

Unless we can get an 'Anibal Sanchez' type like the Tigers did last year I'm not sure I'd waste precious assets on a guy like Bud Norris.
Wait till vogelsong comes back

Zito starts at home, gaudin on road
Originally posted by ads_2006:
Wait till vogelsong comes back

Zito starts at home, gaudin on road

Vogey won't be back until early August, late July at best. I can't see them waiting until then to make a move since the trade deadline will have come and gone if he's not back until August. As for just starting Zito at home, that's not a bad idea in theory, but Bochy doesn't strike me as the kind of manager that would do that.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jun 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM ]
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Vogey won't be back until early August, late July at best. I can't see them waiting until then to make a move since the trade deadline will have come and gone if he's not back until August. As for just starting Zito at home, that's not a bad idea in theory, but Bochy doesn't strike me as the kind of manager that would do that.

Reports are he is ahead of schedule and could be back after the all-star break.
Nolasco pitching tomorrow. Maybe something to keep an eye on.
Originally posted by Hopper:
Nolasco pitching tomorrow. Maybe something to keep an eye on.

Too hefty a contract to take on, no?
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jun 20, 2013 at 12:59 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Nolasco pitching tomorrow. Maybe something to keep an eye on.

Too hefty a contract to take on, no?

it would be interesting. that was the big rumor about a month ago.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think the next 3 weeks will decide if the Giants make a big trade for a pitcher. If Lincy and Zito continue to struggle and the Giants are still in the race I dont think there is any question that they will go after a starter. Bud Norris is the most likely guy.

I could see something like this going down........... Gary Brown and Chris Heston or Edwin Escobar for Norris. I would hope the Giants wouldnt deal Crick, Stratton, Agosta, or Blackburn but I wouldnt be shocked at any of them going either.

I'm tired of us trading away our type guys for not always a perfect deal. We need to save Gary Brown 1 more year

Well.. I hear you. This would not be like the infamous Wheeler for Beltran deal. Norris has a very cheap contract and is a proven major league starter that I would classify as a #3 or #4 guy in any rotation. Gary Brown is certainly a dilemma. If he gets it together and suddenly becomes what you hoped for then you would kick yourself for dealing him. If he sucks again next year then he has absolutley no trade value.

I would trade Gary Brown for Norris in a heartbeat, especially with the emergence of Perez (who might end up being about the same player as Brown is, but is more versatile and has a better arm).

Have to agree here with you Ghost. As I said, you might kick yourself if Brown suddenly gets it together but this would be a good deal for the Giants. With the possibility of losing 3 starters next year it would be sweet to get a cheap and effective guy like Bud Norris.

Just as a small aside, Gary Brown has been lighting it up as of late (.415/.442/.902 in his last ten with 5 HR's) and I'm not sure I'd be willing to trade him just yet. I think Bud Norris will be a serviceable #3/#4 but I guess we'll wait and see what happens, I think I'm just not as sold on him as everyone else. But he's not a FA until 2016 and would be a good solution. I'm torn to say the least.
From Schulman a few minutes ago:

What I've heard: If the Marlins were to trade starter Ricky Nolasco,

his first choice is to come to the #sfgiants. Makes sense on many levels. He's a California boy. He has a big contract, so the Giants could take on money and not give up big prospect. Has an 0.87 ERA in four starts at AT&T. Plus, since he wants to be here, chances of re-signing him as a free agent would increase. I also understand he's a good friend of Sergio Romo. Nolasco is 30.
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I'd rather pay a little more for a more talented pitcher in Nolasco than give up a lot to get a cheaper middle of the road never going to be more than a 4th starter Bud Norris.
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