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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by AC49er:
Anyone else excited for the WBC?

Not me. Just hope the Giants participating don't get hurt.

I would have preferred that no Giants were in it. I really dont like Vogey pitching in it.

Pretty much like pitching a spring training game, right?

Not really. A spring training game means nothing and pitchers can kind of go at the speed they need to get into shape. This is different and the fear would be that a pitcher could go too hard too fast. I doubt Vogey will get hurt but I would still prefer that he wasnt in it.

Im surprised the Giants didnt tell him to pass. Our rotation depth sucks, and hes coming off by far the most innings in his career for one season (214.1 ip). Plus hes not getting any younger.

Like 2010, 2012 was a very healthy season for the starting staff. I believe we were the only rotation in baseball to have all 5 guys take every turn. We bumped Lincecum back once, but nobody missed their turn in the rotation. Thats very rare. Youre definitely pushing it by allowing Vogelsong to throw those extra innings. Especially after not signing any rotation depth guys.
so is carl pavano gonna pitch again this year? whens he gonna be healthy? why not take a flyer on him? we need the depth.
Originally posted by skeetskeet:
so is carl pavano gonna pitch again this year? whens he gonna be healthy? why not take a flyer on him? we need the depth.

or bring back Penny?
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by AC49er:
Anyone else excited for the WBC?

Not me. Just hope the Giants participating don't get hurt.

I would have preferred that no Giants were in it. I really dont like Vogey pitching in it.

Pretty much like pitching a spring training game, right?

Not really. A spring training game means nothing and pitchers can kind of go at the speed they need to get into shape. This is different and the fear would be that a pitcher could go too hard too fast. I doubt Vogey will get hurt but I would still prefer that he wasnt in it.

"We know we have to get these guys ready, and that's our plan," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "We won't let them go if we don't think they're ready, particularly the pitchers. "They'll be in good hands, where they're going. We'll get with the coaches and give them our thoughts at what we're looking at and how much they should be pitched. They've got stipulations in the WBC to protect these players, which is a good thing," Bochy added.

If Boch isn't worried about it, neither am I.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by AC49er:
Anyone else excited for the WBC?

Not me. Just hope the Giants participating don't get hurt.

I would have preferred that no Giants were in it. I really dont like Vogey pitching in it.

Pretty much like pitching a spring training game, right?

Not really. A spring training game means nothing and pitchers can kind of go at the speed they need to get into shape. This is different and the fear would be that a pitcher could go too hard too fast. I doubt Vogey will get hurt but I would still prefer that he wasnt in it.

"We know we have to get these guys ready, and that's our plan," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "We won't let them go if we don't think they're ready, particularly the pitchers. "They'll be in good hands, where they're going. We'll get with the coaches and give them our thoughts at what we're looking at and how much they should be pitched. They've got stipulations in the WBC to protect these players, which is a good thing," Bochy added.

If Boch isn't worried about it, neither am I.

Whats he supposed to say? Obviously youd rather a key member of your rotation not throw extra innings after a career high IP season. Especially when you dont have any depth.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by AC49er:
Anyone else excited for the WBC?

Not me. Just hope the Giants participating don't get hurt.

I would have preferred that no Giants were in it. I really dont like Vogey pitching in it.

Pretty much like pitching a spring training game, right?

Not really. A spring training game means nothing and pitchers can kind of go at the speed they need to get into shape. This is different and the fear would be that a pitcher could go too hard too fast. I doubt Vogey will get hurt but I would still prefer that he wasnt in it.

"We know we have to get these guys ready, and that's our plan," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "We won't let them go if we don't think they're ready, particularly the pitchers. "They'll be in good hands, where they're going. We'll get with the coaches and give them our thoughts at what we're looking at and how much they should be pitched. They've got stipulations in the WBC to protect these players, which is a good thing," Bochy added.

If Boch isn't worried about it, neither am I.

Whats he supposed to say? Obviously youd rather a key member of your rotation not throw extra innings after a career high IP season. Especially when you dont have any depth.

He said what he wanted to say. If Vogey isn't ready than he's not letting him pitch in the WBC. But if he's ready by then, it's not a big deal.
I just find it funny that most people in the US give more value to their club being World Champions than to their country actually beating the rest of the World.

Then these tournaments come around and Japan actually earns the title of World Champions. Winning the WBC would mean nothing to you guys?
Originally posted by vrabbit:
I just find it funny that most people in the US give more value to their club being World Champions than to their country actually beating the rest of the World.

Then these tournaments come around and Japan actually earns the title of World Champions. Winning the WBC would mean nothing to you guys?

No because it doesn't seem like they ever really care to be honest. If it was really a dream team of baseball, then I'd put more weight toward it. The team does actually look competitive with the roster this year so it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
I just find it funny that most people in the US give more value to their club being World Champions than to their country actually beating the rest of the World.

Then these tournaments come around and Japan actually earns the title of World Champions. Winning the WBC would mean nothing to you guys?

No because it doesn't seem like they ever really care to be honest. If it was really a dream team of baseball, then I'd put more weight toward it. The team does actually look competitive with the roster this year so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.

When a club has that much money invested in them and it is guarantees you are damn right they deserve that much say. Then the players are not ready and loose, it is the making of a catastrophic season.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.

When a club has that much money invested in them and it is guarantees you are damn right they deserve that much say. Then the players are not ready and loose, it is the making of a catastrophic season.

F.C. Barcelona has MILLIONS invested in Lionel Messi but there is no way in hell that THEY determine whether he participates in a World Cup for Argentina.
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.

When a club has that much money invested in them and it is guarantees you are damn right they deserve that much say. Then the players are not ready and loose, it is the making of a catastrophic season.

this.


the WBC doesn't have the legitimacy of something like soccer's Wold Cup yet.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by jdt84_2:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.

When a club has that much money invested in them and it is guarantees you are damn right they deserve that much say. Then the players are not ready and loose, it is the making of a catastrophic season.

this.


the WBC doesn't have the legitimacy of something like soccer's World Cup yet.

That's quite an understatement my friend.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
I just find it funny that most people in the US give more value to their club being World Champions than to their country actually beating the rest of the World.

Then these tournaments come around and Japan actually earns the title of World Champions. Winning the WBC would mean nothing to you guys?

No because it doesn't seem like they ever really care to be honest. If it was really a dream team of baseball, then I'd put more weight toward it. The team does actually look competitive with the roster this year so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.
Off the top of my head, american players...

OF-Trout
OF- McCutchen
1B- Fielder
OF - Matt Kemp
3B- Freese
C- Posey
SS-Tulowitski
2B- Kinsler

P- Cain, Strasburg, Halladay, Verlander (no particular order)

Im sure I am missing some obvious choices...but even the team I just posted would absolutely dominate.
Originally posted by notsoempty86:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
I just find it funny that most people in the US give more value to their club being World Champions than to their country actually beating the rest of the World.

Then these tournaments come around and Japan actually earns the title of World Champions. Winning the WBC would mean nothing to you guys?

No because it doesn't seem like they ever really care to be honest. If it was really a dream team of baseball, then I'd put more weight toward it. The team does actually look competitive with the roster this year so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

the players don't care? It would seem to me that they do. Just out of curiosity, post me what you think would be your dream team.

Personally I dislike the power MLB franchises have over whether players can participate in the WBC. Felix and Johan not pitching for Venezuela is a damn shame.
Off the top of my head, american players...

OF-Trout
OF- McCutchen
1B- Fielder
OF - Matt Kemp
3B- Freese
C- Posey
SS-Tulowitski
2B- Kinsler

P- Cain, Strasburg, Halladay, Verlander (no particular order)

Im sure I am missing some obvious choices...but even the team I just posted would absolutely dominate.

I would do it a little differently:

SS - Ian Desmond - (kid can do everything)
2nd - Dustin Pedroia - (one of the best #2 hitters in the game)
CF - Mike Trout - (nuff said)
1st - Prince Fielder - (my clean up guy)
RF - Matt Kemp - (again, nuff said)
LF - Josh Hamilton - (still dangerous with the bat)
3rd - David Wright - (excellent all-around game)
C - Buster Posey - (with this lineup, our best player bats 8th)

Bench: McCutcheon - OF/PH/PR, Mauer - C/PH, Ian Kinsler - 2nd/PH, Chase Headley - 3rd/PH, Jimmy Rollins, SS/PH, Billy Hamilton, SS/OF/PR
SP: Verlander - RH, Kershaw - LH, Cain - RH, David Price - LH, Roy Halliday - RH
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Feb 18, 2013 at 3:02 PM ]
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