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Dec 18, 2012 at 5:19 AM

Niners99
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Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by Niners99:

Another 3 year deal for a RP...

solid investment i think...

RP can go from great to garbage year to year. Locking yourself into 2 RP for 3 years each was a mistake. You dont want to lock yourself into those kinds of players. I can see how a top tier closer would command 3 years due to the competitive market, but guys like Affeldt and Casilla, (both over age 32) shouldnt be given that many years.

Dec 18, 2012 at 5:34 AM

#35507

SoCal9er
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Casilla was solid early and then lost the closer role. I think they could have re-signed Ramon Ramirez for a lot cheaper.

Dec 18, 2012 at 8:16 AM

#35508

Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by SoCal9er:
Casilla was solid early and then lost the closer role. I think they could have re-signed Ramon Ramirez for a lot cheaper.

Sure they could have signed Ramirez for a lot less but he is not nearly as good as Casilla. Casilla is a pretty important member of this team.

Dec 18, 2012 at 8:17 AM

#35509

LumpiaJeff
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SoCal9er:
Casilla was solid early and then lost the closer role. I think they could have re-signed Ramon Ramirez for a lot cheaper.

Sure they could have signed Ramirez for a lot less but he is not nearly as good as Casilla. Casilla is a pretty important member of this team.

Definitely. Just a little surprised we were quick to extend him.

Dec 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM

#35510

itlynstalyn
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Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Another 3 year deal for a RP...

solid investment i think...

RP can go from great to garbage year to year. Locking yourself into 2 RP for 3 years each was a mistake. You dont want to lock yourself into those kinds of players. I can see how a top tier closer would command 3 years due to the competitive market, but guys like Affeldt and Casilla, (both over age 32) shouldnt be given that many years.

I agree but I'm a bit torn, especially since the way this team is built. Maybe a little bit too much $$$ and too many years, but he's a good bullpen arm and worth the risk in my opinion.

Dec 18, 2012 at 10:12 AM

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RogerCraig
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We are going to have win a lot of low scoring games, the way the team is built. Belt are you in your backyard, practising your swing? Same goes for Pence and Crawford.

Dec 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM

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RogerCraig
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Originally posted by Garcia:
Cody Ross
Do not want.

Ross is asking waaay to much for what he brings to the table. Can't blame him for trying. Maybe the Dodgers will offer 3 years at 24 or something as ridiculous.

Dec 18, 2012 at 10:25 AM

#35513

80sbaby24
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Pence will hit .280 with 24 HRs and 90 RBIs next year.

He's trash. LOL I kid I kid. . That is just reserved for the NBA Western Conference Player of the Week.

Jeremy Lin was the Easter Conference Player of the Week sometime last year. Hes pretty good too right?

Dec 18, 2012 at 11:55 AM

#35514

Garce
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Originally posted by RogerCraig:

Originally posted by Garcia:
Cody Ross
Do not want.

Ross is asking waaay to much for what he brings to the table. Can't blame him for trying. Maybe the Dodgers will offer 3 years at 24 or something as ridiculous.

hes perfect for fenway... stay there.

as far as casillas..... He struggled a bit in the closer role after awhile... but once he was back in his normal role toward the end of the year and the playoffs... dude was pitching really well

Dec 18, 2012 at 2:13 PM

#35515

GhostofFredDean74
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So the Casilla deal is 2 years plus a club option, right? I can live with that.

Check it...it's 3 years and a club option for a fourth. No likey

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Dec 18, 2012 at 3:42 PM ]

Dec 18, 2012 at 4:04 PM

#35516

Garce
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I don't understand why people hate Casillas.

Did you guys see him in the playoffs?
Dealing Absolute Filth

Dec 18, 2012 at 4:21 PM

#35517

Niners99
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Originally posted by Garcia:
I don't understand why people hate Casillas.

Did you guys see him in the playoffs?
Dealing Absolute Filth

Its not hate, its just not wanting to give a 32 year old RP with poor control and declining velocity a guaranteed salary for 3 more years. Its a bad baseball move. You should never hand out RP deals over 2 years at most. When its a really good closer, you make an exception.

Dec 18, 2012 at 4:46 PM

#35518

Garce
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Its not hate, its just not wanting to give a 32 year old RP with poor control and declining velocity a guaranteed salary for 3 more years. Its a bad baseball move. You should never hand out RP deals over 2 years at most. When its a really good closer, you make an exception.

Well hes been an integral part of a bullpen with 2 world series championships... can't say I blame Sabean for trying to keep it's 2nd best asset together.

I would rather have 3 years of Casillas then a revolving door of random guys who you don't know if you can trust.

Dec 18, 2012 at 6:04 PM

#35519

dcsham
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Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Its not hate, its just not wanting to give a 32 year old RP with poor control and declining velocity a guaranteed salary for 3 more years. Its a bad baseball move. You should never hand out RP deals over 2 years at most. When its a really good closer, you make an exception.

Well hes been an integral part of a bullpen with 2 world series championships... can't say I blame Sabean for trying to keep it's 2nd best asset together.

I would rather have 3 years of Casillas then a revolving door of random guys who you don't know if you can trust.

Lol, 99 does this every offseason. Giants don't do anything right...no need to argue with him. Just sit back and enjoy.

Dec 18, 2012 at 11:15 PM

#35520

Niners99
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Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its not hate, its just not wanting to give a 32 year old RP with poor control and declining velocity a guaranteed salary for 3 more years. Its a bad baseball move. You should never hand out RP deals over 2 years at most. When its a really good closer, you make an exception.

Well hes been an integral part of a bullpen with 2 world series championships... can't say I blame Sabean for trying to keep it's 2nd best asset together.

I would rather have 3 years of Casillas then a revolving door of random guys who you don't know if you can trust.

Lol, 99 does this every offseason. Giants don't do anything right...no need to argue with him. Just sit back and enjoy.

Its not about me, its about common sense. If you think signing two 32+ year old non closer RP to 3 year deals is a smart move, i dont know what to tell you.