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Originally posted by RogerCraig:
Originally posted by Muggins:
Aldon
Does that count as a sack?

Atleast 1
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Dapro:
Wonder salary cap will ever hit baseball. It kind of put small market teams in major disadvantage.

If there was ever a reason to add a cap, its going to be because of the Dodgers new strategy. At what point does baseball say "ok, now youre just making a mockery of the game"? 300 mil? 350 mil? If they dont seem to have a limit, and the owners are rich enough to pay out that much, whats stopping them?

At some point baseball has to step in and do something. What the Dodgers are doing is bad for baseball. Its a joke. Are they just going to buy every big name f/a from now on?

Hate to say it, but that's why people hated the Niners and Eddie D throughout the 80's/90's. Eddie was willing to spend whatever on whomever all in the pursuit of championships. For this reason, I can't really hate on what the Dodgers are doing.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Dapro:
Wonder salary cap will ever hit baseball. It kind of put small market teams in major disadvantage.

If there was ever a reason to add a cap, its going to be because of the Dodgers new strategy. At what point does baseball say "ok, now youre just making a mockery of the game"? 300 mil? 350 mil? If they dont seem to have a limit, and the owners are rich enough to pay out that much, whats stopping them?

At some point baseball has to step in and do something. What the Dodgers are doing is bad for baseball. Its a joke. Are they just going to buy every big name f/a from now on?

Hate to say it, but that's why people hated the Niners and Eddie D throughout the 80's/90's. Eddie was willing to spend whatever on whomever all in the pursuit of championships. For this reason, I can't really hate on what the Dodgers are doing.

I can easily hate on the Dodgers. How many big name FA's did the Niners go out and buy to win titles? Deion for 1 year? Basically, Eddie took care of his own players that the Niners drafted. That is a FAR cry from what the Dodgers are doing.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Dapro:
Wonder salary cap will ever hit baseball. It kind of put small market teams in major disadvantage.

If there was ever a reason to add a cap, its going to be because of the Dodgers new strategy. At what point does baseball say "ok, now youre just making a mockery of the game"? 300 mil? 350 mil? If they dont seem to have a limit, and the owners are rich enough to pay out that much, whats stopping them?

At some point baseball has to step in and do something. What the Dodgers are doing is bad for baseball. Its a joke. Are they just going to buy every big name f/a from now on?

Hate to say it, but that's why people hated the Niners and Eddie D throughout the 80's/90's. Eddie was willing to spend whatever on whomever all in the pursuit of championships. For this reason, I can't really hate on what the Dodgers are doing.

I can easily hate on the Dodgers. How many big name FA's did the Niners go out and buy to win titles? Deion for 1 year? Basically, Eddie took care of his own players that the Niners drafted. That is a FAR cry from what the Dodgers are doing.

Technically, that was true of EddieD in the 80's, but not in the 90's. He went after as many top free agents (even paying good money for backups and aging players) as he possibly could to re-stock the cupboards (Deion, Tim McDonald, Ken Norton, Rickey Jackson, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, Gary Plummer, etc.) for the '95 Super Bowl run.

Yes, the talent levels, ages, length of contracts, etc. are a far cry from what Eddie did. But the concept was the same...outspend your opponents, buy as much talent as you can and hope for the best.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Dapro:
Wonder salary cap will ever hit baseball. It kind of put small market teams in major disadvantage.

If there was ever a reason to add a cap, its going to be because of the Dodgers new strategy. At what point does baseball say "ok, now youre just making a mockery of the game"? 300 mil? 350 mil? If they dont seem to have a limit, and the owners are rich enough to pay out that much, whats stopping them?

At some point baseball has to step in and do something. What the Dodgers are doing is bad for baseball. Its a joke. Are they just going to buy every big name f/a from now on?

Hate to say it, but that's why people hated the Niners and Eddie D throughout the 80's/90's. Eddie was willing to spend whatever on whomever all in the pursuit of championships. For this reason, I can't really hate on what the Dodgers are doing.

I can easily hate on the Dodgers. How many big name FA's did the Niners go out and buy to win titles? Deion for 1 year? Basically, Eddie took care of his own players that the Niners drafted. That is a FAR cry from what the Dodgers are doing.

Technically, that was true of EddieD in the 80's, but not in the 90's. He went after as many top free agents (even paying good money for backups and aging players) as he possibly could to re-stock the cupboards (Deion, Tim McDonald, Ken Norton, Rickey Jackson, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, Gary Plummer, etc.) for the '95 Super Bowl run.

Yes, the talent levels, ages, length of contracts, etc. are a far cry from what Eddie did. But the concept was the same...outspend your opponents, buy as much talent as you can and hope for the best.

I hear what you are saying but I think its MUCH different and the impact is not even close to what the Dodgers are doing. Eddie signed for the most part some older players that were near the end of their career. Rickey Jackson was 36 and had a couple of years left, Richard Dent was 34 and played there 1 yr, Chris Doleman was 35. These were guys that could still contribute some but non got mega deals that could change the entire landscape of the league and make it impossible for smaller markets to compete. The 49ers built their teams around the draft and added some older players to help contribute. The Dodgers have a crap minor league system and to make up for it are spending obscene amounts of money.

I think any baseball fan should be sickened by what the new Dodgers ownership is doing. Its disgusting.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Dapro:
Wonder salary cap will ever hit baseball. It kind of put small market teams in major disadvantage.

If there was ever a reason to add a cap, its going to be because of the Dodgers new strategy. At what point does baseball say "ok, now youre just making a mockery of the game"? 300 mil? 350 mil? If they dont seem to have a limit, and the owners are rich enough to pay out that much, whats stopping them?

At some point baseball has to step in and do something. What the Dodgers are doing is bad for baseball. Its a joke. Are they just going to buy every big name f/a from now on?

Hate to say it, but that's why people hated the Niners and Eddie D throughout the 80's/90's. Eddie was willing to spend whatever on whomever all in the pursuit of championships. For this reason, I can't really hate on what the Dodgers are doing.

I can easily hate on the Dodgers. How many big name FA's did the Niners go out and buy to win titles? Deion for 1 year? Basically, Eddie took care of his own players that the Niners drafted. That is a FAR cry from what the Dodgers are doing.

Technically, that was true of EddieD in the 80's, but not in the 90's. He went after as many top free agents (even paying good money for backups and aging players) as he possibly could to re-stock the cupboards (Deion, Tim McDonald, Ken Norton, Rickey Jackson, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, Gary Plummer, etc.) for the '95 Super Bowl run.

Yes, the talent levels, ages, length of contracts, etc. are a far cry from what Eddie did. But the concept was the same...outspend your opponents, buy as much talent as you can and hope for the best.

I hear what you are saying but I think its MUCH different and the impact is not even close to what the Dodgers are doing. Eddie signed for the most part some older players that were near the end of their career. Rickey Jackson was 36 and had a couple of years left, Richard Dent was 34 and played there 1 yr, Chris Doleman was 35. These were guys that could still contribute some but non got mega deals that could change the entire landscape of the league and make it impossible for smaller markets to compete. The 49ers built their teams around the draft and added some older players to help contribute. The Dodgers have a crap minor league system and to make up for it are spending obscene amounts of money.

I think any baseball fan should be sickened by what the new Dodgers ownership is doing. Its disgusting.

While I'm as disgusted as the next guy, probably more so, I think it's rather funny that they've basically conceded that they can't hang with the Giants on a level playing field. They've admitted to themselves that the only way they can get ahead is to outspend the Giants, in their mind anyway. Seeing them fail after this would be all the more satisfying.
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
While I'm as disgusted as the next guy, probably more so, I think it's rather funny that they've basically conceded that they can't hang with the Giants on a level playing field. They've admitted to themselves that the only way they can get ahead is to outspend the Giants, in their mind anyway. Seeing them fail after this would be all the more satisfying.

Their stupidity is getting some national airtime, at least on the satellite networks. Russo was all over it today (obviously he's a Giant fan) but lots of callers too on Sirius 86.

Spending is one thing; spending smart is something else entirely.
Originally posted by dcsham:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
While I'm as disgusted as the next guy, probably more so, I think it's rather funny that they've basically conceded that they can't hang with the Giants on a level playing field. They've admitted to themselves that the only way they can get ahead is to outspend the Giants, in their mind anyway. Seeing them fail after this would be all the more satisfying.

Their stupidity is getting some national airtime, at least on the satellite networks. Russo was all over it today (obviously he's a Giant fan) but lots of callers too on Sirius 86.

Spending is one thing; spending smart is something else entirely.

They're basically going after all the top FA's.

All that takes is $$, no brains required.
The Dodgers must feel they are going to receive a healthy return on a much improved team in the form of increased tickets sale, licences, merchandising, etc. Let's hope the team flops.
[ Edited by RogerCraig on Dec 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM ]
Its only a matter of time until they fire Ned Colletti and get someone better.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its only a matter of time until they fire Ned Colletti and get someone better.

Hopefully Ned Colletti will be able to recklessly spend more before they find someone better. To be quite honest the Dodgers still don't scare me right now going into next year. However, I do see lots of bloated contracts for under achieving players.
Originally posted by RogerCraig:
The Dodgers must feel they are going to receive a healthy return on a much improved team in the form of increased tickets sale, licences, merchandising, etc. Let's hope the team flops.

6 Billion Dollar TV deal from Fox. Enough said.
Originally posted by sfgiantdave:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its only a matter of time until they fire Ned Colletti and get someone better.

Hopefully Ned Colletti will be able to recklessly spend more before they find someone better. To be quite honest the Dodgers still don't scare me right now going into next year. However, I do see lots of bloated contracts for under achieving players.

I think anyone should be scared about the Dodgers. They are showing that they just will not stop and have no limitations. If Robinson Cano was a FA right now there is no doubt in my mind that they would give him a $150M dollar deal just because they can. Its sickening, disgusting, and of course nothing would make the vast majority of baseball fans happier than seeing this team flop.

Baseball's problem is that the MLBPA is way too strong and that the players wont agree to a deal with a salary cap in place. As much as I love baseball, I would be happy if the owners locked all of the players out until a salary cap was put in place when the next deal is up. If football can have a cap then baseball should be able to as well. Comments by Donald Fehr in 09.........

"We've been down this road before and we saw where this led us," Fehr said. "We spent an awful lot of time after the strike and again in 2002 and 2006, tying revenue sharing to the competitive balance tax and the free-agency system. It's difficult for me to envision a situation where we'd make a wholesale change in the system. It's nearly impossible for me believe that the players would be in favor of a salary cap."
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
6 Billion Dollar TV deal from Fox. Enough said.

I wish the Giants can get that deal.


Does anyone know how could the Giants get anywhere close to that amount?
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by sfgiantdave:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Its only a matter of time until they fire Ned Colletti and get someone better.

Hopefully Ned Colletti will be able to recklessly spend more before they find someone better. To be quite honest the Dodgers still don't scare me right now going into next year. However, I do see lots of bloated contracts for under achieving players.

I think anyone should be scared about the Dodgers. They are showing that they just will not stop and have no limitations. If Robinson Cano was a FA right now there is no doubt in my mind that they would give him a $150M dollar deal just because they can. Its sickening, disgusting, and of course nothing would make the vast majority of baseball fans happier than seeing this team flop.

Baseball's problem is that the MLBPA is way too strong and that the players wont agree to a deal with a salary cap in place. As much as I love baseball, I would be happy if the owners locked all of the players out until a salary cap was put in place when the next deal is up. If football can have a cap then baseball should be able to as well. Comments by Donald Fehr in 09.........

"We've been down this road before and we saw where this led us," Fehr said. "We spent an awful lot of time after the strike and again in 2002 and 2006, tying revenue sharing to the competitive balance tax and the free-agency system. It's difficult for me to envision a situation where we'd make a wholesale change in the system. It's nearly impossible for me believe that the players would be in favor of a salary cap."

Let me put it this way, I believe in the next couple years Adrian Gonzalez will continue to decline, Hanley Ramirez isn't quite the player he was in the early days in Florida, Carl Crawford may be the player he was in Boston rather than Tampa, Josh Beckett isn't the player he was in Florida or the early days in Boston, I only view Greinke as an above average pitcher not an elite one, although Andre Either has been good, he will be getting up their in age as well. To me it looks like in multiple positions they will be stuck with big albatross contracts with declining performances.

Yes, the Dodgers are spending big but until they have a deep farm system and shows very good team chemistry they won't scare me one bit.

Let's say after 2013 the Dodgers give Robinson Cano a big 7 year contract. Their is a good chance it will be another Mark Texeria situation, he may be productive for the first couple season but not all that special for the latter half of the contract.

Real Superstar talent is rarely making it on the Free Agent market. Average to above average players who do make it may have a couple good years left but get big Super Star contracts from teams like the Dodgers and many of these players will be albatross's in the back half of the contracts.

I stand by my comment that just because they will recklessly spend more money on the Free Agent market than anyone else doesn't mean they will me automatic World Series Contenders.

I will say this will put pressure on the Giants to give a player Sandoval a contract extention now rather than waiting another season. If I were the Giants, this spring I would seriously look at extending him covering him through age 32 and have team options for his 33 and 34 years. Sandoval has two more seasons before he hits FA. Thanks to the Dodgers their will be more pressure on the Giants to lock up their players sooner than they would have possibly liked to, I will give you that much.
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