2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

For the record, 3 years 24 million must be a thanks for helping bring a WS, because it will bite us in the ass after this season. It is crazy. Sucks it has come to a place where people get paid so much for minimal production. The Braves paid 75 mil to a .246 hitter. Obviously its based off potential, but it is crazy to think of it.

Am I the only one thinking, "so what if we give Pagan a 4 year deal or Scoots a 3 year deal?" It's not my money...if people are worried about budgets, they shouldn't be. This franchise is flush with cash and obviously willing to shell out big bucks or they wouldn't be making these deals. I know this, if the Zito, Rowand and FreSanchez deals didn't hinder us from winning 2 titles in 3 years, I'm confident that signing Pagan and Scutaro won't either.

Plus, Scutaro's value goes beyond on-field performance. I don't know how he did it, but he managed to become the heart and soul of this team almost over night. That quality alone is worth another year to sweeten the deal, IMO.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Am I the only one thinking, "so what if we give Pagan a 4 year deal or Scoots a 3 year deal?" It's not my money...if people are worried about budgets, they shouldn't be. This franchise is flush with cash and obviously willing to shell out big bucks or they wouldn't be making these deals. I know this, if the Zito, Rowand and FreSanchez deals didn't hinder us from winning 2 titles in 3 years, I'm confident that signing Pagan and Scutaro won't either.

Plus, Scutaro's value goes beyond on-field performance. I don't know how he did it, but he managed to become the heart and soul of this team almost over night. That quality alone is worth another year to sweeten the deal, IMO.

I dont make posts thinking about whether its my money. I make them thinking about whether I think its a smart baseball move. Scutaro for 3 years isnt in my opinion.

Ehh, I hear what you are saying Ghost, but I dont necessarily agree. I would love Scutaro to come back as well. But 3 years is OD in my opinion. You and I know damn well he wont be an $8M player when he is 40.

meh. the giants have money to spend. It's overkill, but pagan's and scut's contract won't break their backs. At least they spend money to keep players around to make another world series run.

I guess I'm wrong about ownership being cheap. They don't spend wisely, but they're not the dodgers.

Now let's sign Greinke and Hamilton and call it an off-season.

Jesus, Victorino 3 for $39.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Jesus, Victorino 3 for $39.

Getting Jesus for that price is an absolute bargain, which means Victorino is practically free. Of course I wouldn't want Jesus on the basepaths though. Dude can't steal. On the plus side, everyone at the stadium will have their sins forgiven though.

Andrew Baggarly ‏@CSNBaggs Without mentioning Swisher by name, I asked Evans if team would listen hard if a free agent wanted to play for them. Evans: yes, absolutely.

Alex Pavlovic ‏@AlexPavlovic Giants have wiggle room in budget if one more big name is available down the line. Wouldn't rule out a Swisher type

Originally posted by HaiGuise:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Jesus, Victorino 3 for $39.

Getting Jesus for that price is an absolute bargain, which means Victorino is practically free. Of course I wouldn't want Jesus on the basepaths though. Dude can't steal. On the plus side, everyone at the stadium will have their sins forgiven though.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Andrew Baggarly ‏@CSNBaggs Without mentioning Swisher by name, I asked Evans if team would listen hard if a free agent wanted to play for them. Evans: yes, absolutely.

Alex Pavlovic ‏@AlexPavlovic Giants have wiggle room in budget if one more big name is available down the line. Wouldn't rule out a Swisher type

Swisher woudl be interesting. How's his defense? I would like his bat.....

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Andrew Baggarly ‏@CSNBaggs Without mentioning Swisher by name, I asked Evans if team would listen hard if a free agent wanted to play for them. Evans: yes, absolutely.

Alex Pavlovic ‏@AlexPavlovic Giants have wiggle room in budget if one more big name is available down the line. Wouldn't rule out a Swisher type

Swisher woudl be interesting. How's his defense? I would like his bat.....

Hasn't played LF in awhile, but his D in RF is above average according to fangraphs.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Am I the only one thinking, "so what if we give Pagan a 4 year deal or Scoots a 3 year deal?" It's not my money...if people are worried about budgets, they shouldn't be. This franchise is flush with cash and obviously willing to shell out big bucks or they wouldn't be making these deals. I know this, if the Zito, Rowand and FreSanchez deals didn't hinder us from winning 2 titles in 3 years, I'm confident that signing Pagan and Scutaro won't either.

Plus, Scutaro's value goes beyond on-field performance. I don't know how he did it, but he managed to become the heart and soul of this team almost over night. That quality alone is worth another year to sweeten the deal, IMO.

I dont make posts thinking about whether its my money. I make them thinking about whether I think its a smart baseball move. Scutaro for 3 years isnt in my opinion.

What wouldn't be smart about it, if not for the money/investment piece? Will Scutaro be the same player in 2015 than he was in 2012, likely not at all. But if it takes giving him that third year of a contract to get another 1-2 solid years out of him (and/or 1 more title), I think it's a great business move. I acknowledge the risk, absolutely, but I don't see it as a risk that if it goes wrong, would undermine my franchise for years to come.

Btw, I'm in the talent acquisition business, and everyone that I work with agrees (especially the people putting up the money), if you have to pay a little extra for the talent YOU WANT, you do it. Because without the right talent, you can't achieve your goals...and that costs WAY more than giving someone extra.

So being "smart" about what/who you pay is all a matter of perspective.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Am I the only one thinking, "so what if we give Pagan a 4 year deal or Scoots a 3 year deal?" It's not my money...if people are worried about budgets, they shouldn't be. This franchise is flush with cash and obviously willing to shell out big bucks or they wouldn't be making these deals. I know this, if the Zito, Rowand and FreSanchez deals didn't hinder us from winning 2 titles in 3 years, I'm confident that signing Pagan and Scutaro won't either.

Plus, Scutaro's value goes beyond on-field performance. I don't know how he did it, but he managed to become the heart and soul of this team almost over night. That quality alone is worth another year to sweeten the deal, IMO.

I dont make posts thinking about whether its my money. I make them thinking about whether I think its a smart baseball move. Scutaro for 3 years isnt in my opinion.

What wouldn't be smart about it, if not for the money/investment piece? Will Scutaro be the same player in 2015 than he was in 2012, likely not at all. But if it takes giving him that third year of a contract to get another 1-2 solid years out of him (and/or 1 more title), I think it's a great business move. I acknowledge the risk, absolutely, but I don't see it as a risk that if it goes wrong, would undermine my franchise for years to come.

Btw, I'm in the talent acquisition business, and everyone that I work with agrees (especially the people putting up the money), if you have to pay a little extra for the talent YOU WANT, you do it. Because without the right talent, you can't achieve your goals...and that costs WAY more than giving someone extra.

So being "smart" about what/who you pay is all a matter of perspective.

Ghost, I have been a very successful headhunter for the past 13 years myself and I have a pretty strong idea when it comes to negotiation. I also know that it cant JUST be about the money.

Scutaro has never had a place where he was so appreciated and had this success. He is loved in SF. It should not JUST be about the money. I tell candidates that all the time. GO where you will be happy. I dont think Scutaro would leave the Giants if he had a fair 2 year deal on the table with an option year. Maybe I'm wrong but that would be as far as I would go with him. We arent talking Robinson Cano here. We are talking about a guy who has had a decent career and got hot for a couple of months. Do I want Scutaro to stay? Sure. DO I think he should get 3 years? Hell no. Not at his age and not at the level he has produced for the majority of his career.

Pagan for 4 Years 40 mill
or
Victorino for 3 years 39 mil

whats better?