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2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Supposedly the Giants and Phillies have both offered Pagan a 4-year deal.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-san-francisco-giants/giants-talk/Report-Phillies-offer-four-year-deal-to-?blockID=808411&feedID=2539
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Nate Schierholz was non tendered by the Phillies. I would not be shocked to see him back with the Giants next year on a very low 1 yr deal

Schuman made mention that Nate burned bridges and Boch isn't a fan.

Also said Weezy was "pouting" and still possible he'd change his mind and come back.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
GET MICHAEL MORSE

He isnt going to go anywhere I'm afraid. Pretty sure he will be playing 1B for the Nationals and LaRoache will be going elsewhere in FA. He would really be a nice fot for our team though.

Ehhhhh....we'll see.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/nationals-could-trade-michael-morse.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Well.. as you say we shall see. The Giants problem is who would they trade? Crick or Stratton plus someone like Javy Lopez? (Washington would love to get Lopez I'm guessing). With the lack of great prospects in the Giants organization its just tough to make deals.

Crick and/or Stratton would be too much for Morse in my opinion. I might have done that for Denard Span though.

I know this is old but I havent been around the last couple days....

Are you nuts itlyn? Michael Morse is a STUD. Hes a .300 hitter with 30 homerun potential every year. Would LOVE him as our 5 hitter. Denard Span is a good player, but I would rather have Morse by a mile.
Dude

Our World Series ball caps this year suck

Anyone found a decent one?
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Schuman made mention that Nate burned bridges and Boch isn't a fan.

Also said Weezy was "pouting" and still possible he'd change his mind and come back.

I'm definitely ticked that Wilson is pissy about this whole thing. I really don't understand professional athletes who think they should be paid more because they're so good...yet won't take an incentive deal. The Giants have done a whole lot for Wilson over the years...he can't come back for a smaller salary with big incentives?
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Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
I'm definitely ticked that Wilson is pissy about this whole thing. I really don't understand professional athletes who think they should be paid more because they're so good...yet won't take an incentive deal. The Giants have done a whole lot for Wilson over the years...he can't come back for a smaller salary with big incentives?

Well, Brian Wilson basically sacrificed his career, ala Rob Nenn, to help win this team a championship in 2010.

I'm sure he feels like he's owed.... he did get paid all last year being hurt. I can understand how he can feel slighted after what he gave.

He's probably done doe.
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
I'm definitely ticked that Wilson is pissy about this whole thing. I really don't understand professional athletes who think they should be paid more because they're so good...yet won't take an incentive deal. The Giants have done a whole lot for Wilson over the years...he can't come back for a smaller salary with big incentives?

Well, Brian Wilson basically sacrificed his career, ala Rob Nenn, to help win this team a championship in 2010.

I'm sure he feels like he's owed.... he did get paid all last year being hurt. I can understand how he can feel slighted after what he gave.

He's probably done doe.

I think that is BS. Wilson didnt "sacrifice" his career. He pitched pressure games and did what all closers do when they are paid a lot of money. The Giants STILL want to pay him millions to play even though he may not pitch next year. They just dont want to pay him 6.8 million. It is a logical and understandable stance.
it says to me that brian wilson does not believe he can come back to his former self!
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
I'm definitely ticked that Wilson is pissy about this whole thing. I really don't understand professional athletes who think they should be paid more because they're so good...yet won't take an incentive deal. The Giants have done a whole lot for Wilson over the years...he can't come back for a smaller salary with big incentives?

Well, Brian Wilson basically sacrificed his career, ala Rob Nenn, to help win this team a championship in 2010.

I'm sure he feels like he's owed.... he did get paid all last year being hurt. I can understand how he can feel slighted after what he gave.

He's probably done doe.

I think that is BS. Wilson didnt "sacrifice" his career. He pitched pressure games and did what all closers do when they are paid a lot of money. The Giants STILL want to pay him millions to play even though he may not pitch next year. They just dont want to pay him 6.8 million. It is a logical and understandable stance.

I'm just trying to put myself in BW's shoes. Thats how I would probably feel - I don't think it's wrong of him to feel that way. I don't necessarily agree with it but thats what I think. I agree with you, what the Giants are doing is logical and understandable... but BW probably doesn't feel that way.
I personally enjoyed Brian Wilson as a person; however, as a pitcher, not so much. Not to be too cynical, but I was glad that he went down for the year. Wilson had too many stressful innings for me to handle. Romo proved that he's a more reliable closer.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
GET MICHAEL MORSE

He isnt going to go anywhere I'm afraid. Pretty sure he will be playing 1B for the Nationals and LaRoache will be going elsewhere in FA. He would really be a nice fot for our team though.

Ehhhhh....we'll see.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/nationals-could-trade-michael-morse.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Well.. as you say we shall see. The Giants problem is who would they trade? Crick or Stratton plus someone like Javy Lopez? (Washington would love to get Lopez I'm guessing). With the lack of great prospects in the Giants organization its just tough to make deals.

Crick and/or Stratton would be too much for Morse in my opinion. I might have done that for Denard Span though.

I know this is old but I havent been around the last couple days....

Are you nuts itlyn? Michael Morse is a STUD. Hes a .300 hitter with 30 homerun potential every year. Would LOVE him as our 5 hitter. Denard Span is a good player, but I would rather have Morse by a mile.

Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the conversation before spouting off nonsense and inferring things no one said. Yes, I'd rather have four years of Span for one of our top tier pitching prospects versus one year of Morse, so would every other GM in the league.
Originally posted by Garcia:
Originally posted by Giants9ersfan:
I'm definitely ticked that Wilson is pissy about this whole thing. I really don't understand professional athletes who think they should be paid more because they're so good...yet won't take an incentive deal. The Giants have done a whole lot for Wilson over the years...he can't come back for a smaller salary with big incentives?

Well, Brian Wilson basically sacrificed his career, ala Rob Nenn, to help win this team a championship in 2010.

I'm sure he feels like he's owed.... he did get paid all last year being hurt. I can understand how he can feel slighted after what he gave.

He's probably done doe.

Brian Wilson did NOT pull a Robb Nen. He wasnt hurt, he was just pitching late into the season, as any closer wouldve done if their team was still playing on Nov. 1st. Nen literally pitched while injured, and knew his elbow was fraying the more he pushed. He was just willing to sacrifice his arm for one final shot at a ring.

Wilson was a great closer, and he was a big part in one of our WS titles. He doesnt deserve any sympathy or special treatment past that respect. Hes getting older, hes coming off a 2nd TJ surgery, and has had injury issues throughout his career. Not to mention his control and velocity have been dropping steadily.

At this point the bear minimum he could make would be more than enough of a "thanks for being a great Giant Brian." Hes not worth even that much. The fact that he wants more is ego driven. If he can get what he was making, or more in f/a, more power to him. Im going to laugh at whoever pays that much, but it would justify his demands I guess.

At this point, unless Wilson is getting a significant amount more than the base we'd offer, he would just be leaving out of spite. We all know he loves the team, the city, and the fanbase. If he wants to sit out in the Dodger Stadium bullpen in a 7th inning role over a couple mil, thats his dumb choice.
Let Wilson go if he's trying to make big money. He's more of a glue guy at this point imo, which I do think is good but not big money good.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
GET MICHAEL MORSE

He isnt going to go anywhere I'm afraid. Pretty sure he will be playing 1B for the Nationals and LaRoache will be going elsewhere in FA. He would really be a nice fot for our team though.

Ehhhhh....we'll see.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/nationals-could-trade-michael-morse.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Well.. as you say we shall see. The Giants problem is who would they trade? Crick or Stratton plus someone like Javy Lopez? (Washington would love to get Lopez I'm guessing). With the lack of great prospects in the Giants organization its just tough to make deals.

Crick and/or Stratton would be too much for Morse in my opinion. I might have done that for Denard Span though.

I know this is old but I havent been around the last couple days....

Are you nuts itlyn? Michael Morse is a STUD. Hes a .300 hitter with 30 homerun potential every year. Would LOVE him as our 5 hitter. Denard Span is a good player, but I would rather have Morse by a mile.

Do yourself a favor and read the rest of the conversation before spouting off nonsense and inferring things no one said. Yes, I'd rather have four years of Span for one of our top tier pitching prospects versus one year of Morse, so would every other GM in the league.

Why on earth would you even trade a top tier pitching prospect for Denard Span...OF like Span can be found relatively easily. If we want to keep building around the starting rotation, it would be dumb to make that kind of move. in a couple years were going to be down to Cain and Bumgarner. Right now Stratton and Crick are kind of important pieces.

At AT&T, Denard Span is a .270 hitter with less than 5 HR, 40 RBIs, maybe 20 SB, good D, average OB%.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Why on earth would you even trade a top tier pitching prospect for Denard Span...OF like Span can be found relatively easily. If we want to keep building around the starting rotation, it would be dumb to make that kind of move. in a couple years were going to be down to Cain and Bumgarner. Right now Stratton and Crick are kind of important pieces.

At AT&T, Denard Span is a .270 hitter with less than 5 HR, 40 RBIs, maybe 20 SB, good D, average OB%.

I agree that I wouldnt trade a top pitching prospect for Span. Now, if Michael Morse had several years left before Free Agency I would deal Crick for him. Power hitting outfielders are just so hard to find now and cost SO much in FA. He would be perfect for our LF spot. As I said from the beginning though, I dont think he will be moved and that they will let LaRoache go.

Washington is rumored to be a player for Greinke. Can you fathom a rotation of Strasburg, Gio, Greinke, and Zimmerman. That would be SICK. I doubt LA will let that happen though. They are just going to write a blank check for him.
[ Edited by Ninerjohn on Dec 1, 2012 at 6:02 PM ]
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