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2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Ive always been of the opinion that MVP is an individual award that should be given to the BEST player in the league. But theres still a very large % of the voters who see it as an award for player who had a fantastic season, who also helped their team (who probably wouldve been out of it) get into the playoffs.

I personally think the MVP should go to the very best player, regardless of team situation. A great player on a bad team cant always put the team on his back and take them to the playoffs, so its a bit unfair to dock that player for being the only big talent on his team. And to me, the "Most Valuable" player is the BEST player. It doesnt matter if them play with a bunch of stars, or by themselves. I think the award was originally intended to be that, but the term "Valuable" got twisted into an interpretation to mean that his team has to be screwed if he wasnt there.

All that being said, because the AP believes greatly in the player coming from a winning team, and a situation where his team would suffer greatly without him, I think Buster Posey wins this MVP award by pretty convincing fashion.

The voters have been following baseball very closely all season long. As someone that has done the same, I know for a fact that Andrew McCutchen has been spotty. He went until May 8th before he hit a HR, but stole about 14 bases. then he turned on the power big time, and ended up hitting 24 HR from mid May through July, but stopped stealing entirely. (I have both McCutchen and Posey in my keeper fantasy league, so ive been watching them game by game all year).

Since the break he ceased to provide that superstar punch to his lineup, and the Pirates have free fallen from a contender, who had the same record as the Giants, to now a team thats 1 game under .500. He has maintained his high avg, but it came from almost 2 months now of empty 2 for 4 games. Since the break you could argue that the Pirates MVP has been Pedro Alvarez.

I think that if you recognize the difficulty of being a catcher, coming off a major injury, handling a great pitching staff, and throwing out runners, etc. His overall resume for the 2012 season is the most impressive.

McCutchen and Braun will split up the votes from the select group of voters who dont care that their teams wont make the playoffs, so neither one will be able to get enough 1st place votes to supplant Posey, who will probably be majority favorite. Braun is going to be heavily penalized as it is, just for his situation.
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Wow...

Say what you want about Melky, but you have to respect him for taking his name out of consideration. I still think he's gone and won't come back, but that was pretty noble of him.
PR stunt
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
PR stunt

exactly. He had nothing to gain by keeping a tainted batting title anyway.
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Wow...

Say what you want about Melky, but you have to respect him for taking his name out of consideration. I still think he's gone and won't come back, but that was pretty noble of him.

Yeah, the Giants dont mess with that stuff. Melky screwed them, and now hes gone. the team has actually been unified by it, and has been on fire since he left. Marco Scutaro has taken the place of what Melky was doing for us anyways, and hes become a team leader. Were not missing Melky at all now, and theres no reason to throw him back into the mix come playoff time. You just dont want to mess with that chemistry.

Besides, Sabean holds grudges, and he was pretty angry when Melky got caught. After the whole Scott Cousins outburst on KNBR, he had to bite his tongue about what he thought of Melky on the radio, but you could hear how mad he was.

Remember we told Guillen to kick rocks come playoff time in 2010 as well.
[ Edited by Niners99 on Sep 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM ]
So why not Mota, who's been caught twice now?
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
So why not Mota, who's been caught twice now?

Cough cough****** syrup **cough***
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
So why not Mota, who's been caught twice now?

Because nobody cares about Mota. lol

Hes just that old reliable guy in the pen who isnt good enough to let anyone down. Theres probably some kind of PED in his geriatric pills, and the Giants just use him until he gets caught again.

Plus, Melky was trying to steal a major chunk of cash from the Giants this offseason with a false MVP type season. Plus the website...
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Originally posted by OregonDuckNiner:
Wow...

Say what you want about Melky, but you have to respect him for taking his name out of consideration. I still think he's gone and won't come back, but that was pretty noble of him.
PR stunt

I'm one of those people that tries to look for the good in people.

To each his own, I guess.
its messed up how Mota gets a pass but Melky doesn't
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
its messed up how Mota gets a pass but Melky doesn't

I agree if they aren't going to bring Melky back, cut Mota's s**tty-ass also. He's awful and a waste of a roster space.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
its messed up how Mota gets a pass but Melky doesn't

I agree if they aren't going to bring Melky back, cut Mota's s**tty-ass also. He's awful and a waste of a roster space.

I don't agree. Mota didn't make the fans fall in love with him, wear costumes to the games, cheer wildly all based upon a lie. Melky took advantage of our great fans. We turned him into a superstar for half a season and he betrayed everyone. Mota only spot pitches.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
its messed up how Mota gets a pass but Melky doesn't

I agree if they aren't going to bring Melky back, cut Mota's s**tty-ass also. He's awful and a waste of a roster space.

I don't agree. Mota didn't make the fans fall in love with him, wear costumes to the games, cheer wildly all based upon a lie. Melky took advantage of our great fans. We turned him into a superstar for half a season and he betrayed everyone. Mota only spot pitches.

Don't care if the fans loved him or not. You can't pick and choose which cheater to embrace, that's not how it works. Because Mota sucks ass, we should be okay with him being on the team even though he cheated? Hypocritical.

The problem with baseball is they either need to take a stand against ALL the cheating or turn a blind eye. Can't just vilify who ever is convenient at the moment.

And this s**t is what drives me crazy, Heyman hates on Melky for the last 50 games for being a cheater and then tweets this b******t:

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS braun probably favored for nl mvp. but know posey has helped #SFGiants get in by batting .392 w/ 1.125 OPS in 2nd 1/2

Get a f**king backbone. Earth to everyone: HE CHEATED TOO and got off on a b******t technicality.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Frisco69ers:
its messed up how Mota gets a pass but Melky doesn't

I agree if they aren't going to bring Melky back, cut Mota's s**tty-ass also. He's awful and a waste of a roster space.

I don't agree. Mota didn't make the fans fall in love with him, wear costumes to the games, cheer wildly all based upon a lie. Melky took advantage of our great fans. We turned him into a superstar for half a season and he betrayed everyone. Mota only spot pitches.

Don't care if the fans loved him or not. You can't pick and choose which cheater to embrace, that's not how it works. Because Mota sucks ass, we should be okay with him being on the team even though he cheated? Hypocritical.

The problem with baseball is they either need to take a stand against ALL the cheating or turn a blind eye. Can't just vilify who ever is convenient at the moment.

And this s**t is what drives me crazy, Heyman hates on Melky for the last 50 games for being a cheater and then tweets this b******t:

Quote:

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS braun probably favored for nl mvp. but know posey has helped #SFGiants get in by batting .392 w/ 1.125 OPS in 2nd 1/2

Get a f**king backbone. Earth to everyone: HE CHEATED TOO and got off on a b******t technicality.

Agreed but its human nature. People care about the stars. Melky was a star, Mota wasn't. Nobody makes a fuss if a AAA player pisses hot, nobody cares if a practice squad player does, but a star is big news. Also, baseball players get hammered, football players almost get a pass.

And Buster Olney said most writers will leave Braun off their ballot completely.
Giants bring Melk back and it's like the roids never left him he wins WS MVP
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I don't care if it was self-serving, Melky did the right thing.

MLB needs to just make a damn rule saying that players suspended for PED's are ineligible for postseason awards.

Once again, desipite their being a simple solution to this problem, Bud Selig and baseball refuse to do anything.

What a f**king joke those guys are.
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