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Originally posted by Joecool:
I just don't see Paterno as an accomplice to anything. He is an innocent man who forwarded "hearsay." Personally, the actual witness should have made sure some action was taken upon his voice.
Exactly. Reading the PDF the AD and president seem to state that the initial report was of inappropriate contact. It is hard to say what exactly was told to Paterno.
Holy crap, man...that in and of itself isn't enough to morally implicate Paterno?!?!?
55 year old man + 10 year old boy + shower + "inappropriate contact" in YOUR facilities
At the VERY least that's what Paterno knew. If that was you...you wouldn't follow up to see what the hell the AD was gonna do with that? Would you just let it be? Would you let that guy be around your facilities? I coach HS basketball, and if there was a report of someone around the program doing this to a kid, not only am I reporting this to my AD, but that guy would ABSOLUTELY NOT be allowed around my facilities until he was COMPLETELY exonerated. And you bet your ass that I'm following up to ensure that my AD went to the proper authorities.
Paterno's actions absolve him in a legal sense, but not a moral one. This smacks of a buddy covering up for a buddy, and a man who was preoccupied with his own reputation instead of doing the right thing. And quite frankly, I find it curious that a 2 year grand jury investigation of 15+ years of allegations finally come to light exactly one week after Paterno breaks the D-1 wins record.
And if the AD told you the University Police were notified and are handling it, then what. And at the same time, it is not just about a report of "someone", it is about someone you have known for a VERY long time.
It is easier said than done but if someone tells you they went to the police, which I assume, is the proper authority, wouldn't you believe that the police are now handling the situation since they are the proper authority.
IMO, Shultz/Curly who down played the situation to the police and the police that did not investigate are the real culprits here.
As much as we want to pretend we know how much we think Paterno knew or knows, we really don't.
JoeCool...so let me get this straight. in 1998 sandusky is investigated by the police for child molestation and no charges are brought up. the DA that is investigating soon after mysteriously disappears and also goes missing is his work laptop. he is NEVER heard from again. not a trace. there is no way in the world paterno does not know about this investigation. there just can't be, if you think he didnt know you are deluding yourself. then in 2002 paterno is told about an incident that happneed on school property. he reports up the chain of command. hears that it is being handled. oddly never hears about any follow up again. knowing that hey this is the SECOND time something has come up related to this. MAYBE something is FISHY. then paterno hears (probably agreed to, but that is a different point) that sandusky can't bring boys on campus anymore. that's it. at this point he doesn't question why????? he just says to himself oh cool. then goes about his business until 2004 when he hooks up the grad assistant w a permanent gig. then both of these incidents that we know about paterno being exposed to, he just forgets for oh say pretty much 10 years. then suddenly when the grand jury investigation is going on in 2009, he testifies to what he knew. i'm sure at that point he heard the rumors, if he hadn't for the 40 years before. and should have told sandusky to stay away from the campus for ever. but NO. sandusky was wokring out at the facilities last week. if you really believe that he knew nothing about what was goin on and was not 100% complicit, involved, leading, and facilitating the cover up then i really don't konw what to say to you. from all that we know about paterno at penn state he was the man with the most power. this is a case of colelnel jessup ordering the code red so to speak. no way a man that powerful doesnt know, control, bless everything that is going on on his turf. that is the reality.
You can assume all you want. Obviously, he isn't the man with the most power if he reported what he heard to a higher power. "oh cool" is completely insinuating one side. Isn't that grad assistant an assistant coach now? He was also a former player so you are completely discrediting the fact that he could possibly be a good coach to have received a promotion? Last time I checked, Penn State is playing well.
Rumors???? Believe me, if there were rumors going around, CPA would have definitely been on it due to someone saying something. From all we know, 2 people covered this up because those are the ONLY people that have lied to a Jury. Joe Pa did not lie to a Jury unless they find more stuff if it exists.
What I'm saying is that maybe we need to cool down on our thoughts about Joe Pa because from what has been presented so far, Shwartz and Curly are THE people who made this worse than it should have been.
And to finish, usually, the people closest to someone doing something dirty are the last to be aware of it.