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Penn St. football sexual abuse scandal

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Wow - prescient stuff on Penn St from Mark Madden five months ago. timesonline.com/columnists/spo… via @bctimes

From April 3rd: http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Read it.

"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that a graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Paterno knew. And this guy was allowed on campus for about a decade afterward.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Read it.

I just skimmed through that.

I hope this guy gets his balls cut off in prison and then his throat slit. f**k him, he needs to be killed.
Originally posted by spizzy:
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man

You go to PSU? I just graduated in 2010.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Read it.

"Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that a graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

Paterno knew. And this guy was allowed on campus for about a decade afterward.

Knew, and allowed the behavior to continue on and on and on over the course of year after year after year.

That, my friends, is pure evil.
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.

Joe, you really need to read the grand jury report -- from start to finish. It will answer the questions you just posed.

Secondly, Prospector is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It is an eye-opening report that will just make your stomach muscles curl with disgust. JoePa protected and nurtured a sexual predator who continued to have sex with young boys -- young boys he handpicked from an organization he started -- long after people began to find out about this. The allegations from victims and people who witnessed this creep having sex with boys on several occassions stretch out more than a DECADE.

This WAS NO SECRET.

But it was kept hush-hush from the outside world. And, in covering it up, JoePa allowed Sandusky to rape and sodomize young boys to his heart's content.

Prospector is dead on right. What happened here is pure evil. JoePa needs to be fired -- yesterday. Sandusky needs to be thrown in prison and have his testicles removed with a dull butter knife.

Read the grand jury report. Read every line of it. Let it soak in. Think about it. Then, and only then, assess how you feel.

I read the entire thing and JoePa relayed what someone else whitnessed.

I don't hold anything against JoePa here.

Here's the people who should be in jail (in my order of responsibility) according to the grand jury presentment:

Sandusky
Curly
Shultz
Campus police
Janitorial supervisor

The bold were all the people who this was reported to and they all had a chance to take it further. All of these people ended it at themselves.

JoePa and McQuery passed it further to the next level. Unfortunately, the next level did not and they are the responsible parties.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 9, 2011 at 12:35 PM ]
Originally posted by theginz2004:
Originally posted by spizzy:
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man

You go to PSU? I just graduated in 2010.

Action of abuse by 1 man. Cover up by at least 6 others.

The students are not to blame at all, but the school officials tried to bury the problem.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.

Joe, you really need to read the grand jury report -- from start to finish. It will answer the questions you just posed.

Secondly, Prospector is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It is an eye-opening report that will just make your stomach muscles curl with disgust. JoePa protected and nurtured a sexual predator who continued to have sex with young boys -- young boys he handpicked from an organization he started -- long after people began to find out about this. The allegations from victims and people who witnessed this creep having sex with boys on several occassions stretch out more than a DECADE.

This WAS NO SECRET.

But it was kept hush-hush from the outside world. And, in covering it up, JoePa allowed Sandusky to rape and sodomize young boys to his heart's content.

Prospector is dead on right. What happened here is pure evil. JoePa needs to be fired -- yesterday. Sandusky needs to be thrown in prison and have his testicles removed with a dull butter knife.

Read the grand jury report. Read every line of it. Let it soak in. Think about it. Then, and only then, assess how you feel.

I read the entire thing and JoePa relayed what someone else whitnessed.

I don't hold anything against JoePa here.

Here's the people who should be in jail (in my order of responsibility) according to the grand jury presentment:

Sandusky
Curly
Shultz
Campus police
Janitorial supervisor

The bold were all the people who this was reported to and they all had a chance to take it further. All of these people ended it at themselves.

JoePa and McQuery passed it further to the next level. Unfortunately, the next level did not and they are the responsible parties.

Confronted with the same situation, is that what you would do? Pass the buck to the next level?

I'd call the cops, Joe. I think you would too. I think you'd call them in a nanosecond.
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.

Joe, you really need to read the grand jury report -- from start to finish. It will answer the questions you just posed.

Secondly, Prospector is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It is an eye-opening report that will just make your stomach muscles curl with disgust. JoePa protected and nurtured a sexual predator who continued to have sex with young boys -- young boys he handpicked from an organization he started -- long after people began to find out about this. The allegations from victims and people who witnessed this creep having sex with boys on several occassions stretch out more than a DECADE.

This WAS NO SECRET.

But it was kept hush-hush from the outside world. And, in covering it up, JoePa allowed Sandusky to rape and sodomize young boys to his heart's content.

Prospector is dead on right. What happened here is pure evil. JoePa needs to be fired -- yesterday. Sandusky needs to be thrown in prison and have his testicles removed with a dull butter knife.

Read the grand jury report. Read every line of it. Let it soak in. Think about it. Then, and only then, assess how you feel.

I read the entire thing and JoePa relayed what someone else whitnessed.

I don't hold anything against JoePa here.

Here's the people who should be in jail (in my order of responsibility) according to the grand jury presentment:

Sandusky
Curly
Shultz
Campus police
Janitorial supervisor

The bold were all the people who this was reported to and they all had a chance to take it further. All of these people ended it at themselves.

JoePa and McQuery passed it further to the next level. Unfortunately, the next level did not and they are the responsible parties.

Confronted with the same situation, is that what you would do? Pass the buck to the next level?

I'd call the cops, Joe. I think you would too. I think you'd call them in a nanosecond.

I don't know, man. I wish I can say I would call the cops but who knows how panic takes in, this or that,... I would think I would follow up to the person I reported to if I saw Sandusky still on campus after the fact, especially if I were the one who witnessed it happen. Even then, they could have easily told him it has been reported to campus police.

My thing is that Campus POLICE knew about this and did nothing.
[ Edited by Joecool on Nov 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM ]
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Well at the lest Sandusky will be in jail for the rest of his life getting anally raped and Joe Paterno will be dead probably within 6 months of whenever he retires (hopefully forced out soon).
[ Edited by Jcool on Nov 9, 2011 at 12:46 PM ]
Originally posted by Jcool:
Well at the lest Sandusky will be in jail for the rest of his life getting anally raped and Joe Paterno will be dead probably within 6 months of whenever he retires (hopefully forced out soon).

If Paterno is allowed anywhere near a Penn State game this weekend I'll be shocked beyond belief. The black eye Penn State will get for that will tarnish that school for decades to come. They can't allow him anywhere near that game anymore.
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Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Well at the lest Sandusky will be in jail for the rest of his life getting anally raped and Joe Paterno will be dead probably within 6 months of whenever he retires (hopefully forced out soon).

If Paterno is allowed anywhere near a Penn State game this weekend I'll be shocked beyond belief. The black eye Penn State will get for that will tarnish that school for decades to come. They can't allow him anywhere near that game anymore.

He is coaching the rest of the season per ESPN
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Well at the lest Sandusky will be in jail for the rest of his life getting anally raped and Joe Paterno will be dead probably within 6 months of whenever he retires (hopefully forced out soon).

If Paterno is allowed anywhere near a Penn State game this weekend I'll be shocked beyond belief. The black eye Penn State will get for that will tarnish that school for decades to come. They can't allow him anywhere near that game anymore.

I just don't see Paterno as an accomplice to anything. He is an innocent man who forwarded "hearsay." Personally, the actual witness should have made sure some action was taken upon his voice.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I just don't see Paterno as an accomplice to anything. He is an innocent man who forwarded "hearsay." Personally, the actual witness should have made sure some action was taken upon his voice.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Joecool:
I just don't see Paterno as an accomplice to anything. He is an innocent man who forwarded "hearsay." Personally, the actual witness should have made sure some action was taken upon his voice.

Please avoid personal attacks
[ Edited by aman49 on Nov 9, 2011 at 1:07 PM ]