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Penn St. football sexual abuse scandal

clean house and apply better procedures on how to handle , heaven forbid, future incidents like this one.



Sandusky threw Joe Pa under the bus out of spite, now his gay ass succeeded. Perv.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by aman49:
I did so to make a point that its not as simple as "you always report this straight to the police, every time". It isn't that simple. Maybe for you it is, but not for all people. We don't even know what the graduate assistant actually told JoePa.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Like the Casey Anthony thread months ago, the issue of bad things happening to children clouds people's ability to calmly analyze situations.

I'm perfectly calm, you are assuming I'm not calm through a computer screen....

And it is simple that you report someone witnessed a child was raped in the circumstances that Paterno was in.

aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.
Could it be that JoePa and all involved went up the ladder, reported it, then it was presented to the police but what the first dude "saw" would only present minimum consequences for Sandusky which leads the police to do a timely investigation telling everyone involved to keep a tight lip, allow Sandusky to think everything is "normal" and that no one knows? Then the police wait until they have concrete stuff to put this guy away for life.
Originally posted by Prospector:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by aman49:
I did so to make a point that its not as simple as "you always report this straight to the police, every time". It isn't that simple. Maybe for you it is, but not for all people. We don't even know what the graduate assistant actually told JoePa.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. Like the Casey Anthony thread months ago, the issue of bad things happening to children clouds people's ability to calmly analyze situations.

I'm perfectly calm, you are assuming I'm not calm through a computer screen....

And it is simple that you report someone witnessed a child was raped in the circumstances that Paterno was in.

aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.


eeewww

You think you know someone..... What thee ph*ck?
In the amidst of this pedophile scandal, Penn State's still gotta play #19 Nebraska. I wonder if Nebraska's gonna send a message about this, like refuse to play
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man
Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.
Originally posted by spizzy:
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man

1. I don't think they are trying to embarass the student body or the professors for this, but it's too bad that you guys are being affected by this crap and 2. This was not due to the actions of just 1 man.
[ Edited by Hoovtrain on Nov 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.

This came out now because Sandusky continued to molest and rape children for years. In 2008 or 2009, he was molesting some kid at a high school, when they got walked in on by another coach "wrestling." The kid later broke down and told his mom and the principal what was going on, who unlike the criminally negligent Penn State officials, who were told about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy way back in 2002, these people actually contacted the police.

It's in the Grand Jury report, there's a link on first page or so.

Interesting article from a sports and law attorney on SI for those claiming we are "jumping to conclusions":

Story Highlights
Paterno hasn't been charged, but he may have violated law by not going to police
Paterno's statements to grand jury will come under scrutiny as case goes to trial
Even if Paterno isn't criminally charged, he could be found negligent in civil trial

At least two of the other Penn State officials who did not report the rape of a child to police and in fact may have lied about it to a grand jury are already going to be charged.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by SoCal9ers:
Originally posted by Prospector:
aman49, you and others defending JoPa are the ones being irrational and in deep denial. Read the bloody Grand Jury transcript. For decades this creepy guy, former coach, was showing up to coaches meetings with young boys, drove around alone with them, had them sleeping over at his house, brought them on road trips to games, tailgated with them -- started an entire foundation, adopted children. Others may not know the guy well, but JoPa surely did -- he worked with him for decades. There is no way you don't know what a longtime friend is into.

The FIRST time JoPa and those clown administrators working for him heard about Sandusky sodomizing a ten year old boy -- and they were told that, no doubt about it, read the bloody PDF -- they should have put all that together, if they didn't know already. All the pieces should have been in place. "How many others?" they should have asked. Instead they played, "Protect the program, protect our jobs." For that, they earn the hatred of the nation.

Already some of these guys have already been demonstrated to be liars, and some are going to be charged with perjury for lying to a grand jury. So who knows how far back this scandal goes, how long they and others in the organization knew about Sandusky's disgusting fondness for young boys. Serial molestors like this monster usually impact dozens, if not hundreds - and already the victim tally is climbing.

This is what should be done: Sandusky, execution. The administrators who lied to the grand jury and failed to report a felony rape against a child, prison. The coach who did nothing, he should be fired immediately and stripped of all retirement benefits. And there should be an investigation into who really knew what, and if it turned out JoPa knew his buddy was a child rapist and did nothing, he can join the rest of the perjurers and amoral rejects in prison.

Corruption is the handmaid of Evil; root out and burn it down.

THIS, preach it!!!

First of all, can someone fill me in on how the police were finally notified? Was it the higher ups that Joe Pa reported to? I think everyone is jumping to some major conclusions as to what should happen to anyone who witnessed it. You guys are all saying what you would have done or what should be done and it is all b******t.

You don't know what you would have done unless you've been there and done it. You don't know even know how the police handled it and if they wanted to acquire more concrete evidence. Until this case is closed, the only guy guilty of anything right now is Sandusky and those who perjured.

Joe, you really need to read the grand jury report -- from start to finish. It will answer the questions you just posed.

Secondly, Prospector is RIGHT ON THE MONEY. It is an eye-opening report that will just make your stomach muscles curl with disgust. JoePa protected and nurtured a sexual predator who continued to have sex with young boys -- young boys he handpicked from an organization he started -- long after people began to find out about this. The allegations from victims and people who witnessed this creep having sex with boys on several occassions stretch out more than a DECADE.

This WAS NO SECRET.

But it was kept hush-hush from the outside world. And, in covering it up, JoePa allowed Sandusky to rape and sodomize young boys to his heart's content.

Prospector is dead on right. What happened here is pure evil. JoePa needs to be fired -- yesterday. Sandusky needs to be thrown in prison and have his testicles removed with a dull butter knife.

Read the grand jury report. Read every line of it. Let it soak in. Think about it. Then, and only then, assess how you feel.
Originally posted by spizzy:
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man

One man did the molesting and rape.

Others in positions of authority stood by silently, thus allowing one man's evil to continue. Why don't you guys get this?

Children could have been saved, but weren't. And the writing is on the wall that nothing was done to save the reputation of a football program.
punish everyone who knew and hid it from the police. Then move on.
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Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by spizzy:
Sad scene on campus today, students and professors crying alike. News teams are all over campus making us feel embarrassed for the actions of 1 man

One man did the molesting and rape.

Others in positions of authority stood by silently, thus allowing one man's evil to continue. Why don't you guys get this?

Children could have been saved, but weren't. And the writing is on the wall that nothing was done to save the reputation of a football program.

Boggled by this also
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Read it.
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