Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Is the support for guys' argument really based around 10 minute long YouTube videos? You can splice together highlights to look like MJ was terrible if you wanted to.
Even adjusted for pace, the 80's were much higher scoring. Aside from the 80's Bad Boys, please name me some teams that was known for their physicality. I'm curious. You have smaller, weaker, & slower athletes that surrendered many more points per possession than their modern counterparts, but you think it's logical to assume that it was a more physical game than today?
It's nothing more than nostalgia.
Smaller, weaker athletes? First you are off a decade. Want to see small and weak, go back into the the 70's and before when only football players lifted weights. Also even if they were small and weak they were playing against other small and weak guys so that evens out. The point you are missing in the videos is that rougher play was tolerated, a lot of those fouls if they happened today would lead to ejections. The Bynum foul on J.J. Berea would not have got him tossed in 1988. Bearing this in mind if physical play is allowed, the players will be more physical. The league has toned down the roughness, you appear to be ignoring the evidence.
Yes, they were smaller, weaker athletes in the 80's. Kevin McHale was 210-225lbs for most of his career. You know what we call that in 2011? A shooting guard. That was a normal size for a PF. The guys playing the same position in 2011 are a good 20-30lbs bigger, and a few inches taller. The league is bigger and stronger across the board.
In terms of the contact that is allowed, I think we're talking about different things. Yes, the punishment for intentional fouling is much greater now, and that sort of thing was definitely more prevalent during the 80's. No argument there.
But that's also something that happened once every 10 games or so. I'm not talking about fighting, I'm talking about the play-to-play action. The amount of jockeying for position and contact as a result is a night and day difference. That's why the average team was putting up 110ppg and shooting 48-49% from the field...considerably less resistance from defenses
Chuck Daly (RIP) revolutionized the game with his emphasis on the defensive end, specifically in terms of physicality and defensive rotations, and that influence carried over into the 90's, when the game got a lot more physical largely due to the Piston's influence, and scoring/percentages dropped as a result. But the 80's? No way.