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  • TX9R
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Maybe mid level was too strong. Occasional all-star? You can't blame him for the Orlando debacle though, he ran in to the unstoppable buzzsaw of the Dream. LOL, hoinestly even I think that series would have been a whole lot different if even one of those free throws goes in.

I don't think that series would have gone too differently even if Anderson makes his free throws. Dream & Co. were vets that knew how to get it done.

FWIW...Eddie Jones was a 3 time all-star. Penny was a 4 time all star, and Van Exel made an ASG as well. He had chances with less, but Shaq never got it done with anyone but HOF-level wings. And Penny was well on his way to that status before injuries derailed his career.

Wow Van Excel made an ASG? Must have been a down year. Jones did make a few, after he left LA and also in a down era, his numbers weren't that great and only once did he average even 20 points. Even you have to admit the timing was good, the post Jordan-era was the post-a-lot-of-really-good players era, look at the Spurs team that won it all in 99. That was arguably the s**ttiest era the NBA ever had. I stand by my opinion that he would have got it done then with a lesser player than Kobe.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Maybe mid level was too strong. Occasional all-star? You can't blame him for the Orlando debacle though, he ran in to the unstoppable buzzsaw of the Dream. LOL, hoinestly even I think that series would have been a whole lot different if even one of those free throws goes in.

I don't think that series would have gone too differently even if Anderson makes his free throws. Dream & Co. were vets that knew how to get it done.

FWIW...Eddie Jones was a 3 time all-star. Penny was a 4 time all star, and Van Exel made an ASG as well. He had chances with less, but Shaq never got it done with anyone but HOF-level wings. And Penny was well on his way to that status before injuries derailed his career.

Wow Van Excel made an ASG? Must have been a down year. Jones did make a few, after he left LA and also in a down era, his numbers weren't that great and only once did he average even 20 points. Even you have to admit the timing was good, the post Jordan-era was the post-a-lot-of-really-good players era, look at the Spurs team that won it all in 99. That was arguably the s**ttiest era the NBA ever had. I stand by my opinion that he would have got it done then with a lesser player than Kobe.

Well heck, Pau Gasol's only average 20 ppg once, and that hasn't stopped people from contending that he's some amazing player.

Jones made two of his ASG's in LA, alongside Shaq. He was also one of the best perimeter defenders in the league for a good 6-8 year stretch.

Perhaps Shaq could've gotten it done with lesser talent than Kobe or Wade, but he never did even though he had the opportunity. Heck...the Lakers barely got it done in 2000 & 2002. I don't think they beat either Portland or Sacramento with a lesser player than Kobe.

I'd agree that from about 95-02 was one of the weaker stretches in NBA history though.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 10, 2011 at 12:26:46 ]
  • TX9R
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Maybe mid level was too strong. Occasional all-star? You can't blame him for the Orlando debacle though, he ran in to the unstoppable buzzsaw of the Dream. LOL, hoinestly even I think that series would have been a whole lot different if even one of those free throws goes in.

I don't think that series would have gone too differently even if Anderson makes his free throws. Dream & Co. were vets that knew how to get it done.

FWIW...Eddie Jones was a 3 time all-star. Penny was a 4 time all star, and Van Exel made an ASG as well. He had chances with less, but Shaq never got it done with anyone but HOF-level wings. And Penny was well on his way to that status before injuries derailed his career.

Wow Van Excel made an ASG? Must have been a down year. Jones did make a few, after he left LA and also in a down era, his numbers weren't that great and only once did he average even 20 points. Even you have to admit the timing was good, the post Jordan-era was the post-a-lot-of-really-good players era, look at the Spurs team that won it all in 99. That was arguably the s**ttiest era the NBA ever had. I stand by my opinion that he would have got it done then with a lesser player than Kobe.

Well heck, Pau Gasol's only average 20 ppg once, and that hasn't stopped people from contending that he's some amazing player.

Jones made two of his ASG's in LA, alongside Shaq. He was also one of the best perimeter defenders in the league for a good 6-8 year stretch.

Perhaps Shaq could've gotten it done with lesser talent than Kobe or Wade, but he never did even though he had the opportunity. Heck...the Lakers barely got it done in 2000 & 2002. I don't think they beat either Portland or Sacramento with a lesser player than Kobe.

I'd agree that from about 95-02 was one of the weaker stretches in NBA history though.

Pau's value is greatly inflated by the lack of bigs today. It's not that he's great, he's just one of the current best in a weak field. I coulda swore EJ was in CHA, but you would know better than I. Lastly it Kobe wasn't the difference against Sac, everyone knows it was the refs. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Pau's value is greatly inflated by the lack of bigs today. It's not that he's great, he's just one of the current best in a weak field. I coulda swore EJ was in CHA, but you would know better than I. Lastly it Kobe wasn't the difference against Sac, everyone knows it was the refs. Sorry, couldn't resist.



EJ was in Charlotte and made his other ASG when he was there. He had some good years in Miami too.
Strip club to retire Rodman's jersey

Lol, Rodman

I can't believe Juwan Howard is still playing. Lol
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Strip club to retire Rodman's jersey


Of all the athletes I've ever met, meeting him (& the Bad Boys) back in '88, while in high school, was one of the most enjoyable, funnest experiences ever. The fact that I snuck into the locker room tunnels before the games really contributed the that; especially when Rodman, himself, said: "You don't belong back here." And I replied, "What do you care?"
He gave me his autograph immediately after he stopped laughing. Nothing but love for Old School Dennis (& the Bad Boys).
Now this was a big 3

Originally posted by Tman:
Now this was a big 3


I was thinking the other day that that team had arguably 4 guys on that team where you could say he was the greatest _____ ever.

(arguably)

Jordan was the greatest player ever.
Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender ever.
Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever.
Kerr was the greatest spot up shooter ever.
  • BobS
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Tman:
Now this was a big 3


I was thinking the other day that that team had arguably 4 guys on that team where you could say he was the greatest _____ ever.

(arguably)

Jordan was the greatest player ever.
Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender ever.
Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever.
Kerr was the greatest spot up shooter ever.

I guess you never heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain?
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Tman:
Now this was a big 3


I was thinking the other day that that team had arguably 4 guys on that team where you could say he was the greatest _____ ever.

(arguably)

Jordan was the greatest player ever.
Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender ever.
Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever.
Kerr was the greatest spot up shooter ever.

I guess you never heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain?

Greatest center ever perhaps but there was no doubt rodman was the greatest rebounder ever
[ Edited by Tman on May 11, 2011 at 7:38 PM ]
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Tman:
Now this was a big 3


I was thinking the other day that that team had arguably 4 guys on that team where you could say he was the greatest _____ ever.

(arguably)

Jordan was the greatest player ever.
Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender ever.
Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever.
Kerr was the greatest spot up shooter ever.

I guess you never heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain?

Tough to compare. Wilt played in an unathletic and short league that averaged 119 PPG while only shooting 41-42% from the field for most of his career.

How do you average 119 PPG while shooting 41%? By shooting a TON of shots. There were way, way more possessions in Wilt's era than there are now.

The average team in 1961 got 5,789 rebounds in a 79 game season. In 1991, the average team got 3,547. It's easy to outrebound a guy when there are 63% more available rebounds.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 11, 2011 at 7:44 PM ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by BobS:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Tman:
Now this was a big 3


I was thinking the other day that that team had arguably 4 guys on that team where you could say he was the greatest _____ ever.

(arguably)

Jordan was the greatest player ever.
Pippen was the greatest perimeter defender ever.
Rodman was the greatest rebounder ever.
Kerr was the greatest spot up shooter ever.

I guess you never heard of a guy named Wilt Chamberlain?

Tough to compare. Wilt played in an unathletic and short league that averaged 119 PPG while only shooting 41-42% from the field for most of his career.

How do you average 119 PPG while shooting 41%? By shooting a TON of shots. There were way, way more possessions in Wilt's era than there are now.

The average team in 1961 got 5,789 rebounds in a 79 game season. In 1991, the average team got 3,547. It's easy to outrebound a guy when there are 63% more available rebounds.

Nice I just learned something...... for real
no spurs.. no celtics.. no lakers.. i love it!

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