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Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
They should go back to being the Bullets, damnit.

Gimme back, gimme back my Bullets
Oh put 'em back where they belong



makes sense...
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

Damn
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on May 10, 2011 at 11:19:31 ]
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

Maybe because the teams he left pretty much crumbled afterwards. During his peak years, I'm convinced you could have pretty much any mid level wing, some good role players and he still would have collected a few rings. Look at when he came along, all the great centers were aging and there just wasn't anyone who could stay with him.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

I only meant it as the "go-to" primary option...the glue of the team. In 1999, it was still Robinson for the Spurs.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

Maybe because the teams he left pretty much crumbled afterwards. During his peak years, I'm convinced you could have pretty much any mid level wing, some good role players and he still would have collected a few rings. Look at when he came along, all the great centers were aging and there just wasn't anyone who could stay with him.

Orlando was a playoff team after Shaq left. Obviously they weren't as good, but they didn't crumble until Penny's injuries started happening. When he left the Lakers, half the team left with him. Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Horace Grant & Kareem Rush left that year too. The Lakers went into complete rebuilding mode.

Shaq DID have mid-level wings and good role players around him from 96-99. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Elden Campbell & a young Kobe...and he didn't even get to the Finals.

He also had a star wing in Orlando (Penny) & good role players (Horace Grant, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson) and didn't do squat there either.
I don't know if I've ever seen a year where the playoffs were this unpredictable. This has been an awesome postseason thus far.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

Maybe because the teams he left pretty much crumbled afterwards. During his peak years, I'm convinced you could have pretty much any mid level wing, some good role players and he still would have collected a few rings. Look at when he came along, all the great centers were aging and there just wasn't anyone who could stay with him.

Orlando was a playoff team after Shaq left. Obviously they weren't as good, but they didn't crumble until Penny's injuries started happening. When he left the Lakers, half the team left with him. Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Horace Grant & Kareem Rush left that year too. The Lakers went into complete rebuilding mode.

Shaq DID have mid-level wings and good role players around him from 96-99. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Elden Campbell & a young Kobe...and he didn't even get to the Finals.

He also had a star wing in Orlando (Penny) & good role players (Horace Grant, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson) and didn't do squat there either.

Well, he did lead them to the NBA Finals, albeit getting swept by the Rockets.
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

Maybe because the teams he left pretty much crumbled afterwards. During his peak years, I'm convinced you could have pretty much any mid level wing, some good role players and he still would have collected a few rings. Look at when he came along, all the great centers were aging and there just wasn't anyone who could stay with him.

Orlando was a playoff team after Shaq left. Obviously they weren't as good, but they didn't crumble until Penny's injuries started happening. When he left the Lakers, half the team left with him. Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Horace Grant & Kareem Rush left that year too. The Lakers went into complete rebuilding mode.

Shaq DID have mid-level wings and good role players around him from 96-99. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Elden Campbell & a young Kobe...and he didn't even get to the Finals.

He also had a star wing in Orlando (Penny) & good role players (Horace Grant, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson) and didn't do squat there either.

Well, he did lead them to the NBA Finals, albeit getting swept by the Rockets.

Yes, but TX's point was that he would have collected a few rings with mid-level wings and good role players, and I don't think that's the case being that he only even made the Finals once with players that fit that exact description.
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Maybe mid level was too strong. Occasional all-star? You can't blame him for the Orlando debacle though, he ran in to the unstoppable buzzsaw of the Dream. LOL, hoinestly even I think that series would have been a whole lot different if even one of those free throws goes in.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Maybe mid level was too strong. Occasional all-star? You can't blame him for the Orlando debacle though, he ran in to the unstoppable buzzsaw of the Dream. LOL, hoinestly even I think that series would have been a whole lot different if even one of those free throws goes in.

I don't think that series would have gone too differently even if Anderson makes his free throws. Dream & Co. were vets that knew how to get it done.

FWIW...Eddie Jones was a 3 time all-star. Penny was a 4 time all star, and Van Exel made an ASG as well. He had chances with less, but Shaq never got it done with anyone but HOF-level wings. And Penny was well on his way to that status before injuries derailed his career.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Someone pointed this out on another forum. Do you realize that unless Boston pulls out a miraculous comeback, this will be the first time since Jordan retired that neither Shaq, Kobe, nor Duncan will be in the Finals?

1999-Duncan
2000- Kobe/Shaq
2001- Kobe/Shaq
2002- Kobe/Shaq
2003- Duncan
2004- Kobe/Shaq
2005- Duncan
2006- Shaq
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2009- Kobe
2010- Kobe

2000 - 2001 should only show as "Shaq".

I never understood why Shaq never got the "never won without..." crap. It's not like he ever won without a first-ballot/no-brainer HOF guard next to him. And Penny was well on his way to being the same thing before he got hurt after Shaq left.

Maybe because the teams he left pretty much crumbled afterwards. During his peak years, I'm convinced you could have pretty much any mid level wing, some good role players and he still would have collected a few rings. Look at when he came along, all the great centers were aging and there just wasn't anyone who could stay with him.

Orlando was a playoff team after Shaq left. Obviously they weren't as good, but they didn't crumble until Penny's injuries started happening. When he left the Lakers, half the team left with him. Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, Horace Grant & Kareem Rush left that year too. The Lakers went into complete rebuilding mode.

Shaq DID have mid-level wings and good role players around him from 96-99. Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Elden Campbell & a young Kobe...and he didn't even get to the Finals.

He also had a star wing in Orlando (Penny) & good role players (Horace Grant, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson) and didn't do squat there either.

Well, he did lead them to the NBA Finals, albeit getting swept by the Rockets.

Yes, but TX's point was that he would have collected a few rings with mid-level wings and good role players, and I don't think that's the case being that he only even made the Finals once with players that fit that exact description.

It was Dirk. Dude was unguardable on DJK Wurzburg, regardless if it was Snetchel, Gunter, Ludwig or Vilhelm on him...
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