Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

harbaugh didn't win with class. that is why NC has the position he has.

Haha...it's like we all knew what Jed meant by that but it was still dumb to actually say it publicly.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

I would rather consistently get to the playoffs and be a strong contender year in and year out than go 5-11 and 2-14

Odd...Jim's never stayed through a rebuild or started like scratch like ShanaLynch is doing currently.

For all we know that could have been 10 wins in 4 seasons. We weren't a playoff team in 2014... lost everyone to start 2015. What makes you think Jim would have taken us to the playoffs?

I agree with your premise...you want a HC and system that can give you a fighting chance every year though. Tomsula and Kelly were NOT that. LOL

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jed and Paraag have never kept a coach longer than 4 seasons, I wouldn't bet on them to keep Shanahan longer than that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jed and Paraag have never kept a coach longer than 4 seasons, I wouldn't bet on them to keep Shanahan longer than that.

I agree...they both still scare the hell out of me even WHEN they make a good decision.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

What did he do that would get anyone else fired from any other job?
Harbaugh lost one SB on a few controversial play calls and so did the new guy. Why would you think either couldn't win the big one

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

I hope they can make this work. We shall see how Paraag's vision for football operations works. I am hoping for stability and success.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
harbaugh didn't win with class. that is why NC has the position he has.

Haha...it's like we all knew what Jed meant by that but it was still dumb to actually say it publicly.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
I would rather consistently get to the playoffs and be a strong contender year in and year out than go 5-11 and 2-14

Odd...Jim's never stayed through a rebuild or started like scratch like ShanaLynch is doing currently.

For all we know that could have been 10 wins in 4 seasons. We weren't a playoff team in 2014... lost everyone to start 2015. What makes you think Jim would have taken us to the playoffs?

I agree with your premise...you want a HC and system that can give you a fighting chance every year though. Tomsula and Kelly were NOT that. LOL

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

harbaugh didn't win with class. that is why NC has the position he has.

Haha...it's like we all knew what Jed meant by that but it was still dumb to actually say it publicly.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

I would rather consistently get to the playoffs and be a strong contender year in and year out than go 5-11 and 2-14

Odd...Jim's never stayed through a rebuild or started like scratch like ShanaLynch is doing currently.

For all we know that could have been 10 wins in 4 seasons. We weren't a playoff team in 2014... lost everyone to start 2015. What makes you think Jim would have taken us to the playoffs?

I agree with your premise...you want a HC and system that can give you a fighting chance every year though. Tomsula and Kelly were NOT that. LOL

Yeah 1 average season and he gets fired. LUL. I always wonder had Harbaugh been retained would we have lost the same AMOUNT of players that offseason? Would certain players have been more prone to staying? maybe.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
harbaugh didn't win with class. that is why NC has the position he has.

Haha...it's like we all knew what Jed meant by that but it was still dumb to actually say it publicly.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
I would rather consistently get to the playoffs and be a strong contender year in and year out than go 5-11 and 2-14

Odd...Jim's never stayed through a rebuild or started like scratch like ShanaLynch is doing currently.

For all we know that could have been 10 wins in 4 seasons. We weren't a playoff team in 2014... lost everyone to start 2015. What makes you think Jim would have taken us to the playoffs?

I agree with your premise...you want a HC and system that can give you a fighting chance every year though. Tomsula and Kelly were NOT that. LOL

Yeah 1 average season and he gets fired. LUL. I always wonder had Harbaugh been retained would we have lost the same AMOUNT of players that offseason? Would certain players have been more prone to staying? maybe.

I avg season?

The only thing that dropped off was the defense

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Of course the FO could do something about it. They could have at least offered to match Tennessee and then let Walker decide between the 2 different situations.

But they didn't and their plan B sucked.

Walker and Davis would have been arguably the strongest and fastest TE combo 2013 and IMO enough to win the west.

I agree with all of this. The only issue is you can't offer up #1 $ at that time to a #2 TE. The market sets the contract tables and it made it even more challenging given the, state of our cap space at that time. The other aspect is he was a free agent and he could have stayed here if he really wanted...for less $, of course. And for all we know maybe he had family in TN, or had ties to the coaching staff, etc. We just never know other than the outcome of which he got #1 $ and #1 targets and probably made even more for reaching incentives... something he'd never make here because of VD.

In hindsight, we should have kicked Jamba Juice to the curb, paid Delanie, made him the #1 and centered the offense more around him like TN did...esp. after Kam stole VD's soul.

But nobody knew back then if DW would become what he's become...we were just hoping, like Vance now, or VD before him, that he'd become a more consistent pass catcher. I don't think anyone was really thinking of him as a #1 dominant TE... probably not even TN.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Of course the FO could do something about it. They could have at least offered to match Tennessee and then let Walker decide between the 2 different situations.

But they didn't and their plan B sucked.

Walker and Davis would have been arguably the strongest and fastest TE combo 2013 and IMO enough to win the west.

I agree with all of this. The only issue is you can't offer up #1 $ at that time to a #2 TE. The market sets the contract tables and it made it even more challenging given the, state of our cap space at that time. The other aspect is he was a free agent and he could have stayed here if he really wanted...for less $, of course. And for all we know maybe he had family in TN, or had ties to the coaching staff, etc. We just never know other than the outcome of which he got #1 $ and #1 targets and probably made even more for reaching incentives... something he'd never make here because of VD.

In hindsight, we should have kicked Jamba Juice to the curb, paid Delanie, made him the #1 and centered the offense more around him like TN did...esp. after Kam stole VD's soul.

But nobody knew back then if DW would become what he's become...we were just hoping, like Vance now, or VD before him, that he'd become a more consistent pass catcher. I don't think anyone was really thinking of him as a #1 dominant TE... probably not even TN.

You can't knock giving Walker # 1 money (low end #1 money) back then and praise giving Vance #1 money last year (even though different salary cap situations) ..... IMO.

We rewarded the wrong guy IMO

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Of course the FO could do something about it. They could have at least offered to match Tennessee and then let Walker decide between the 2 different situations.

But they didn't and their plan B sucked.

Walker and Davis would have been arguably the strongest and fastest TE combo 2013 and IMO enough to win the west.

I agree with all of this. The only issue is you can't offer up #1 $ at that time to a #2 TE. The market sets the contract tables and it made it even more challenging given the, state of our cap space at that time. The other aspect is he was a free agent and he could have stayed here if he really wanted...for less $, of course. And for all we know maybe he had family in TN, or had ties to the coaching staff, etc. We just never know other than the outcome of which he got #1 $ and #1 targets and probably made even more for reaching incentives... something he'd never make here because of VD.

In hindsight, we should have kicked Jamba Juice to the curb, paid Delanie, made him the #1 and centered the offense more around him like TN did...esp. after Kam stole VD's soul.

But nobody knew back then if DW would become what he's become...we were just hoping, like Vance now, or VD before him, that he'd become a more consistent pass catcher. I don't think anyone was really thinking of him as a #1 dominant TE... probably not even TN.

You can't knock giving Walker # 1 money (low end #1 money) back then and praise giving Vance #1 money last year (even though different salary cap situations) ..... IMO.

We rewarded the wrong guy IMO

Walker got better once he left

both TEs (DW/VM) sucked with the QBs we had.

We don't know still if we have the wrong guy

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Of course the FO could do something about it. They could have at least offered to match Tennessee and then let Walker decide between the 2 different situations.

But they didn't and their plan B sucked.

Walker and Davis would have been arguably the strongest and fastest TE combo 2013 and IMO enough to win the west.

I agree with all of this. The only issue is you can't offer up #1 $ at that time to a #2 TE. The market sets the contract tables and it made it even more challenging given the, state of our cap space at that time. The other aspect is he was a free agent and he could have stayed here if he really wanted...for less $, of course. And for all we know maybe he had family in TN, or had ties to the coaching staff, etc. We just never know other than the outcome of which he got #1 $ and #1 targets and probably made even more for reaching incentives... something he'd never make here because of VD.

In hindsight, we should have kicked Jamba Juice to the curb, paid Delanie, made him the #1 and centered the offense more around him like TN did...esp. after Kam stole VD's soul.

But nobody knew back then if DW would become what he's become...we were just hoping, like Vance now, or VD before him, that he'd become a more consistent pass catcher. I don't think anyone was really thinking of him as a #1 dominant TE... probably not even TN.

You can't knock giving Walker # 1 money (low end #1 money) back then and praise giving Vance #1 money last year (even though different salary cap situations) ..... IMO.

We rewarded the wrong guy IMO

Walker got better once he left

both TEs (DW/VM) sucked with the QBs we had.

We don't know still if we have the wrong guy

Vance was on the trade block and no one cared.

DW was a FA and got offered #1 TE money.

DW stats were comparable, but he was a matchup headache for other teams. Vance hasn't been that... yet