Jim Harbaugh Thread - HC Chargers

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

No, not what I said at all.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

No, not what I said at all.

Yeah you just blamed the coaches for not using Walker more and he would have been worth resigning.
lol

Trent/Paraag wasn't going to resign him no matter what. The Titans gave him #1 TE money. Walker got 4 yrs $17.5m with $8.5 guaranteed 4 years ago. That's about what Vance got last year for his extension.
lol

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

No, not what I said at all.

Yeah you just blamed the coaches for not using Walker more and he would have been worth resigning.
lol

Trent/Paraag wasn't going to resign him no matter what. The Titans gave him #1 TE money. Walker got 4 yrs $17.5m with $8.5 guaranteed 4 years ago. That's about what Vance got last year for his extension.
lol

Had Walker been a bigger part of the passing offense then yes, there is somewhat of a justification to give him that kind of money. Walker's time in Tennessee has proven his value as an offensive weapon in a passing offense, one we failed to fully capitalize on and or even attempt to maximize that skill set.

And one cannot compare contracts signed between 2 players when those contracts were signed nearly 4 years apart.

Originally posted by evil:
Had Walker been a bigger part of the passing offense then yes, there is somewhat of a justification to give him that kind of money. Walker's time in Tennessee has proven his value as an offensive weapon in a passing offense, one we failed to fully capitalize on and or even attempt to maximize that skill set.

And one cannot compare contracts signed between 2 players when those contracts were signed nearly 4 years apart.

He signed for 4.5 mil a year. It's understandable to let him go but that's not a cap killer either. If we drafted correctly and took Reed it would of been fine. Walker is a starter there here was the backup. See how many targets their 2nd string tight end gets. He was used fine here our management just didn't get it and ended up destroying an improving offense that finished 2nd per play in the process. Other mistakes were made too but that was a big one because we relied heavily on 2 tight end sets.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by evil:
Had Walker been a bigger part of the passing offense then yes, there is somewhat of a justification to give him that kind of money. Walker's time in Tennessee has proven his value as an offensive weapon in a passing offense, one we failed to fully capitalize on and or even attempt to maximize that skill set.

And one cannot compare contracts signed between 2 players when those contracts were signed nearly 4 years apart.

He signed for 4.5 mil a year. It's understandable to let him go but that's not a cap killer either. If we drafted correctly and took Reed it would of been fine. Walker is a starter there here was the backup. See how many targets their 2nd string tight end gets. He was used fine here our management just didn't get it and ended up destroying an improving offense that finished 2nd per play in the process. Other mistakes were made too but that was a big one because we relied heavily on 2 tight end sets.

Had we took Reed we wouldn't have run very many 2 TE sets in those first couple of years as his blocking was sub par at the time. And since the 2nd TE in that offense wasn't featured much in the pass game, it would have required somewhat of a shift in the philosophy of the 2 TE sets we ran if we did want to get him more snaps, stuff we should have been doing with Walker. Instead Walker was primarily a blocker in that offense.

Originally posted by evil:
Had we took Reed we wouldn't have run very many 2 TE sets in those first couple of years as his blocking was sub par at the time. And since the 2nd TE in that offense wasn't featured much in the pass game, it would have required somewhat of a shift in the philosophy of the 2 TE sets we ran if we did want to get him more snaps, stuff we should have been doing with Walker. Instead Walker was primarily a blocker in that offense.

It's that thought process that sunk us. You can lose a little on your strength opposed to giving up ground on the weaker end which Vance did. The next year we still ran the ball well on 2 tight end sets but passing was way down and so was our offense. We could of just split the roles with Reed too and have a blocking tight end and receiving tight end.

Walker was featured in the passing game he just wasn't highly targeted. Teams still have to account for him and that's how you get into mismatches. Again our passing attack was 2nd per play. It wasn't just the run that year. There's no complaining about it and saying we used him wrong. If he's opening up things for Vernon and Crabs same result. Our tight ends were used as down the field threats with Vernon and Delanie averaging over 10 yards a target. Reed was the better pick to keep the passing game going but we played to the run and fell backwards. I don't know if that was Baalke or JH but it was the wrong choice.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

No, not what I said at all.

Yeah you just blamed the coaches for not using Walker more and he would have been worth resigning.
lol

Trent/Paraag wasn't going to resign him no matter what. The Titans gave him #1 TE money. Walker got 4 yrs $17.5m with $8.5 guaranteed 4 years ago. That's about what Vance got last year for his extension.
lol

Had Walker been a bigger part of the passing offense then yes, there is somewhat of a justification to give him that kind of money. Walker's time in Tennessee has proven his value as an offensive weapon in a passing offense, one we failed to fully capitalize on and or even attempt to maximize that skill set.

And one cannot compare contracts signed between 2 players when those contracts were signed nearly 4 years apart.

Again.
He had the 3rd most targets on the team in 2011.
In 2012 he had more targets than 2011 but because Moss and Manningham took over 100 targets there simple wasn't enough plays to go around.
What more did you want the coaches to do?

Trent/Paraag wasn't going to spend that kind of money on Walker when they had a guy they traded up to get in the 2nd round still locked into a rookie deal.

I didn't compare the contracts. I just showed Walker got #1 TE money that the 49ers were not willing to give.

Not keeping Walker had nothing to do with coaches or plays or production. It was all about who Trent wanted to keep and that he didn't want to "overpay" for a #2 TE.

By your logic Hyde took Gore's carries away from him so it was the coaches fault that Trent didn't resign Gore because he wasn't used as much.
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Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Evil is blaming draft picks and not re-signing players on Harbs? Lol

No, not what I said at all.

Yeah you just blamed the coaches for not using Walker more and he would have been worth resigning.
lol

Trent/Paraag wasn't going to resign him no matter what. The Titans gave him #1 TE money. Walker got 4 yrs $17.5m with $8.5 guaranteed 4 years ago. That's about what Vance got last year for his extension.
lol

Had Walker been a bigger part of the passing offense then yes, there is somewhat of a justification to give him that kind of money. Walker's time in Tennessee has proven his value as an offensive weapon in a passing offense, one we failed to fully capitalize on and or even attempt to maximize that skill set.

And one cannot compare contracts signed between 2 players when those contracts were signed nearly 4 years apart.

lol, you are speculating so hard to draw negatives upon Harbs.

I don't even know why we are debating Delanie Walker. He wasn't signed because we couldn't afford him, it had nothing to do with Harbs use or non-use.

The money Baalke had, which was very little, went to Anquan Boldin because of the Mario Manningham injury. So unless you are trying to argue Harbs caused us to sign Boldin instead of Walker, then I don't know what you are so bent out of shape over. We needed a WR and got one that did pretty well for us. We couldn't afford Walker, regardless of his use by Harbs.

Plus, signing Walker would require a long term deal, which wasn't feasible with our salary cap situation and Kap on the verge of needing a new deal.

Whether Harbs used Delanie more or not didn't impact Baalk'e situation. We were tied up with the salary cap and Baalke choose to get a WR that we needed.

Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Are you still crying about this? Did you miss this whole offseason when we hired the most desired young coach in the entire league? lol

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Are you still crying about this? Did you miss this whole offseason when we hired the most desired young coach in the entire league? lol

This.
We have a HC that's never been a HC before.
We have a GM that's never been a GM before.
We have a DC that's never been a DC before.
We should be great.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Are you still crying about this? Did you miss this whole offseason when we hired the most desired young coach in the entire league? lol

This.
We have a HC that's never been a HC before.
We have a GM that's never been a GM before.
We have a DC that's never been a DC before.
We should be great.

And we have fans that have been whining their whole lives. So at least there's that. lol

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Have we found his replacement yet?

4 coaches in 4 years but he was the problem...Jyeah...

Are you still crying about this? Did you miss this whole offseason when we hired the most desired young coach in the entire league? lol

This.
We have a HC that's never been a HC before.
We have a GM that's never been a GM before.
We have a DC that's never been a DC before.
We should be great.

And we have fans that have been whining their whole lives. So at least there's that. lol

Never happy.

This isn't a criticism to signing Q just my personal thoughts. I would of extended Delanie over the trade to Q and then you draft Manningham's replacement. Keenan Allen maybe. Q paid off especially with Crab's injury in 13 but I always thought we had a nice core with Crabs, Vernon, Delanie. 2 years later it's an empty cupboard.